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[pitsilos]

[growuptcs]

mrfromng wrote:

Under the circumstances Turkey is doing rather well. I don't see it being humiliated.

Thats because again, you try to see through the truth. Bluffing to try to scare your opponents out will only work till you have to lay your hand down. In the end cards read mrfromng, and we got 4 aces on board. Keep raising like you have the royal straight.

[pitsilos]

re growuptcs the EU has run out of humiliating material and now they all want the RoC to take over

from carpet trading humiliation, to armenian gencide to open your ports and sit back and watch the comedy unravel

and the ibggest of them all varosha is returned the ultimate humiliation for the north and for turkey

I call it ala turkey on a spit with herbs and spices

[Pyrpolizer]

That may be true for the south but not for the north. Land is 2 to a penny on this side. So the ratio of 20 to 1 is very much the norm.

You know the reason for that don’t you? It’s because there’s an abandunce of stolen GC land… plus a lot of other reasons that will simply not exist after a solution.This doesn’t mean in case of a solution the owner should by any means accept the amount of compensation Viewpoint offered, in fact I guarantee you the owener will not accept. I thought of mentioning this ratio as it seems there’s a lot of investment going on stolen GC land based on false assumptions.

I foresee a slight drop in prices of land in the currently RoC controlled areas, and a huge increase in prices in the currently occupied areas after a solution. Still the ratio will by no means remain 1:20…..

[Viewpoint]

If Tc has used disputed land worth 250.000 cyp and built a hotel worth 5.000.000 cyp will you give the right to the Gc to get back the land with the hotel on it or the gc can choose to have the hotel demolished? What will happen to the TC 5 million investment?

First of all you know the term "disputed land" is wrong. The correct term is "land not belonging to him". Secondly it is very important (I will explain later why) that the investment was done by a TC and is still in his own hands.

My answer thus is: The GC owner should still keep his right on his own property. The TC investor should also keep his right on his investment. It would be stupid to start demolishing buildings/hotels because these are producers of wealth and jobs and GNP.
You may ask, how the two rights could co-exist? There are are many ways, here are some I can think of:

a)The hotel+land bussiness to issue proportional shares to the land owner and to the Investor.
b)The land owner to accept compensation from the investor and sell his land
c)The owner to receive rent for his land for as long as the hotel building is there. (maximum life of buildings as you know is 70 years)
d)The owner to pay 5 million the investor and buy the hotel built on his land.
e)Any other agreement the 2 parties would agree.

Do you see any contradiction of the above to what I have already said in my previous post? There is absolute freedom of choice.

Notice the investor rights (be him a TC not a settler or a mainland Turkish Company ) can actually be made legal even under EU law deriving from the "right of necessity". However this "right of necessity" does not exist for foreign nationals e.g British who build their holiday homes on stolen GC land. Those people (e.g Orams) are guaranteed to lose their investments in the end.

NB.For your information the ratio between cost of land and cost of building a hotel in the free areas is about 1:4. Your example seems out of reality (1:20?). And there is no land available costing less than a million.-I mean land suitable for such a bussiness.

So you are suggesting the TC and GC go into business together? aren't you complicating matters even further, man we cant even arrange to have a Olympic flame go from south to north without screwing things up and you are proposing people who do not know each other, and may not have any business acumen go into business together. The only way I see it is that one side gets rightful compensation, either the GC gets full value for land or the TC get a return on his investment and his land in the south. The TCs plus the TRNC and Turkey can pay the GC or the GC plus the GC south can pay the TCs, so that each can go on their merry way.

[pitsilos]

Olympic flame go from south to north without screwing things up

the only screw up here is you and your BS propaganda machine

and explain to me how is turkey gonna get money to pay for all these proposals when they ain't got 2 pennies to rub together?

[Viewpoint]

Olympic flame go from south to north without screwing things up

the only screw up here is you and your BS propaganda machine

and explain to me how is turkey gonna get money to pay for all these proposals when they ain't got 2 pennies to rub together?

Go take a few economic lessons and research the 16th largest economy in the world, one of only 7 countries which has enough natural resources to sustain itself, one of the youngest work forces which EU will need in 10 years time and the best economic growth in the EU.
The largest investment growth worldwide and the potential to be the second largest country in the EU. Believe me you will be begging to be Turkeys ally in 20 years time, at which stage she will remember all your current bitching and EU leverage games....

[zan]

They could always try this

ATHENS, Greece (Reuters) -- Prostitutes and smugglers will give the Greek economy an unexpected boost as their illicit activities will now be counted in the country's official economic output, a senior official said on Wednesday.

Under pressure from the European Union to cut its deficits, Greece is revising its gross domestic product to include part of the booming black economy, boosting its output by at least 10 percent in 2006, the country's chief statistician told Reuters.

"The revised GDP will include some money from illegal activities, such as money from cigarette and drinks smuggling, prostitution and money laundering," National Statistics Service chief Manolis Kontopyrakis said in an interview.

Greece's economic output was 180 billion euros ($228 billion) in 2005 and is estimated at 194 billion euros this year, while the black economy is estimated at about 40-60 billion euros a year.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europ ... utes.reut/

[pitsilos]

Olympic flame go from south to north without screwing things up

the only screw up here is you and your BS propaganda machine

and explain to me how is turkey gonna get money to pay for all these proposals when they ain't got 2 pennies to rub together?

Go take a few economic lessons and research the 16th largest economy in the world, one of only 7 countries which has enough natural resources to sustain itself, one of the youngest work forces which EU will need in 10 years time and the best economic growth in the EU.
The largest investment growth worldwide and the potential to be the second largest country in the EU. Believe me you will be begging to be Turkeys ally in 20 years time, at which stage she will remember all your current bitching and EU leverage games....

16th largest economy in the world what? who someone's else money.

hey viewpoint anyone can spend money they ain't got.

if turkey was a company she would have gone belly up 100 times over by now.

now be a good boy and tell me who is the second highest borrower of the imf? and how much do they owe?

economics turkey style

[Viewpoint]

Olympic flame go from south to north without screwing things up

the only screw up here is you and your BS propaganda machine

and explain to me how is turkey gonna get money to pay for all these proposals when they ain't got 2 pennies to rub together?

Go take a few economic lessons and research the 16th largest economy in the world, one of only 7 countries which has enough natural resources to sustain itself, one of the youngest work forces which EU will need in 10 years time and the best economic growth in the EU.
The largest investment growth worldwide and the potential to be the second largest country in the EU. Believe me you will be begging to be Turkeys ally in 20 years time, at which stage she will remember all your current bitching and EU leverage games....

16th largest economy in the world what? who someone's else money.

hey viewpoint anyone can spend money they ain't got.

if turkey was a company she would have gone belly up 100 times over by now.

now be a good boy and tell me who is the second highest borrower of the imf? and how much do they owe?

economics turkey style

Go ask Greece who suck the EU blood being a taker, at least Turkey is repaying this debt which is granted to developing countries with credibility and an ability to repay. The thought of Turkey developing makes you quake in your boots and shit yourself that in 20 years Turkey will be a force in Europe that you would rather have as an ally than a enemy, but of course your comments illustrate you are too short sited to see this but don't worry other EU countries are not.