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[Viewpoint]

viewpoint I am not talking about whether something is a crime or that there is not another side to a story

I was making my remarks over the quoted post of pirates by zan which he thinks 'could be an incitement to violence'

Having read this post again before replying I dont see how he could have come to this conclusion

People have a right to disagree with what was wrote but an 'incitement to violence' ...I dont think so

To remind you this is what zan said

'As for Piratis, I have compiled a few of his postings and will be sending it to his government and also to the EU. Incitement to violence should be one of the charges. This is the advice he gave to a couple thinking of moving to Cyprus.'

And this is what pirates wrote


Piratis replied:
The hostility is not against the English as a whole, but against certain individuals who seem to excuse the crimes that are committed against us by Turkey, or who dispute that Cypriots should have sovereignty over the whole island of Cyprus.
The reaction of Cypriots toward those individuals is of course natural. Do you think the British would like an Arab that was coming to UK and supported the London terrorist bombings?

As long as you do not express any kind of support to illegalities and you do not question our rights over our island, and as Andri said you do a minimum effort to adjust a bit and you don't expect that Cyprus will be UK with sun, then people here will be very friendly to you and you will have no problems at all.


Can you give show an incitement to violence in the above post

Hes giving the impression that the hostility be it verbal, legal proceeding or violence expressed by GC towards Brits is OK and nothing to worry about because these people warrant it has they in someway support the other side of the story and not his.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, either you like it or not the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey, the declaration of "trnc" and the sale of Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied areas are in fact illegal. This is confirmed by UN resolutions, ECHR rulings, the fact that no country recognized the illegal "trnc" etc.

This is exactly why I used the example of London bombings in my reply. Those bombings according to the UK state were (of course) illegal. Go to some Arab countries and there you will find many supporting "the other side of the story". Does this mean that the UK government should not punish the terrorists or do you expect the British people to be friendly towards those that support such crimes against them, simply because some others believe that there is another side of the story which justifies such illegalities?

At the very least, those that support the illegalities against us and the violations of our human rights should not come to Cyprus as naturally people here will not be very friendly towards them.

[zan]

Do these posts give out a warning of what might be or are they showing the way of what will be. If the first then they are nothing but threats. As blatent as Kifeas visiting a fellow GCs workplace whose posts stopped soon after. If the latter then TCs throughout Cyprus should take notice. Violent threats is what turned the TCs against the GCs in the EOKA periods whilst other GCs where scared or supportive or indifferent to the fact, EOKA grew.

In case they withdraw and they finally stop the crimes against us there will be no revenge. However if they don't and they stay there until the day that the balance of power will inevitably change then maybe we should. If I remember correctly you said that ethnic cleansing is a good way to solve problems and that the two communities can not mix and they should stay separately, didn't you?
If thats what you want then be sure that what you wish for us, will instead happen to you.

If you think that you can be ethically cleansed and that would work for you let us know. We will keep it in mind, because as they say "what goes around comes around"

Surely. We will deal with criminals like you as soon as possible.

laptanige, we know very well who you are and the crimes that you did, which perfectly explains your full support to the Turkish propaganda. Sooner or later be sure you will be punished for your crimes. If you don't stop provoking us in here it will be sooner than later.

If they are smart enough they will soon wake up and realize that they can only lose from insisting on their maximalistic demands. If the balance of power changes before they do, then they will be begging for the minimum

Lets not get hung up on the example I gave of Helen and Mick. The underlying overall tone of that post was threatening and undemacratic. The EU is one of the biggest jewels in Piratis' beret and he quite often uses it to make his point. The right people have in the EU is to be able to have a view point on all issues, without exception.

[andri_cy]

Zan you keep bringing up this whole Kifeas visited someone's work and he stopped posting but you dont care to elaborate. I can say Clinton visited me too but will you believe me? Can you prove or provide anymore information on the above statements? I mean if you are afraid of the person's safety from Kifeas, you probably harmed him anyways if all this is true. So tell us the whole story or dont bring it up.

[Biker]

I posted this on another thread and decided to open this thread as it would probably be deemed as OS elsewhere.

I wouldn't worry about it, people that shout and threaten tend to be gutless wimps that couldn't kick their way out of a wet paper bag, I've lost count of how many times I've been threatened since living here, on one occasion a cop told me somebody was a "very dangerous man" he didn't look so "dangerous" when in plaster.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, either you like it or not the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey, the declaration of "trnc" and the sale of Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied areas are in fact illegal. This is confirmed by UN resolutions, ECHR rulings, the fact that no country recognized the illegal "trnc" etc.

This is exactly why I used the example of London bombings in my reply. Those bombings according to the UK state were (of course) illegal. Go to some Arab countries and there you will find many supporting "the other side of the story". Does this mean that the UK government should not punish the terrorists or do you expect the British people to be friendly towards those that support such crimes against them, simply because some others believe that there is another side of the story which justifies such illegalities?

At the very least, those that support the illegalities against us and the violations of our human rights should not come to Cyprus as naturally people here will not be very friendly towards them.

You have every right to act as you wish against anyone but you have to take the consequences whatever they might be. Trying to explain and support your actions based on ideology that everyone else is to blame except me is totally wrong. The world may only recognize you GCs but it was us TCs who also count as partners on this island that wanted to Turkey to come and restore order and peace on this troubled island. The degree of force is regretable but the outcome none the less is a peaceful exisistence more so for the TCs as they were the ones living in squaller and being discriminated against to a level of second class citizen in their own country. The current situation as you to admit is the result of both our actions so stating that one side it toally to blame is not correct, it take 2 sides to solve a problem and the şast time i checked it was the GCs that rejected a comprehensive solution as prepared by the UN why didnt you state this to the English couple? of course it would not support your ideology that everyone else is to blame except us.

[Piratis]

I posted this on another thread and decided to open this thread as it would probably be deemed as OS elsewhere.

I wouldn't worry about it, people that shout and threaten tend to be gutless wimps that couldn't kick their way out of a wet paper bag, I've lost count of how many times I've been threatened since living here, on one occasion a cop told me somebody was a "very dangerous man" he didn't look so "dangerous" when in plaster.

Biker, the only one who promises violence and "plasters" in this thread is you and nobody else. If you were the fearless superhero you think you are then you would post your real name and address instead of bragging about some imaginary "achievements".

Trying to explain and support your actions based on ideology that everyone else is to blame except me is totally wrong.

I don't support my actions based on my ideology but based on facts. Undeniable facts such as the illegality of the Turkish occupation, the invalidity of the pseudo state of "trnc" and the illegality of sales of Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied part of Cyprus.
The above are facts, and not an opinion.

Therefore there is nothing wrong if I inform somebody who violated the laws (e.g. by buying GC property in occupied areas) that he will pay a heavy price for his shameless crime against us. On the contrary I am making him a favor for informing him about the facts, so he can have a chance to correct his illegal action and not to wait until he appears in front of the judge and say "oh, but I didn't know it was illegal. Nobody told me".

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

I don't support my actions based on my ideology but based on facts. Undeniable facts such as the illegality of the Turkish occupation, the invalidity of the pseudo state of "trnc" and the illegality of sales of Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied part of Cyprus.
The above are facts, and not an opinion.

So?

Where has it gotten you? only the moral high ground which does not bring you the solution you long for. Thats reality Piratis.

You really need to think out of the box on this one, no text book or law will solve this one for you.

[growuptcs]

No textbook or law will get you into the EU either Viewpoint. Only actions. So sit behind momma Turkey and lets see if she feels generous enough to go legal without your approval by opening up her ports, you no-say pawn.

[Viewpoint]

I personally dont feel Turkey will ever get into the EU, so its not really an issue for me. You should be more concerned....