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[Alasya]

No, in Belgium both Flemings and Walloons are predominately Catholic. The South of Holland too which borders Belgium is also very Catholic. Belgium is a secular state however and the main issues are always language.

[boulio]

THE DISTAIN maybe true in cyprus also with britain added to the list.

[Alasya]

I know many fellow Turkish-Cypriots who cannot stand the arrogance of the mainland Turks, but I cant speak for Greek Cypriots.

[boulio]

some cypriots that i speak to including turkish cypriots claim if both turkey and greece left them alone they could resolve things within record time,again opinions of a few.

[tcypriot]

Just as the neonazis or other ill-minded people can deny the fact that Jewish Holocaust existed, at all the idiotity this kind of thinking reflects, there might also be some greeks who similarly try to hide/deny the Turkish Cypriot genocide and the actions of the Greek Occupation Army and Greek Cypriot Terrorist organisation, namely EOKA between 1963 and 1974.

So it's not actually important if few fanatics deny the reality of what the proud and resistant TC nation passed through between 1963 and 1974 but what is important is whether its the majority of the Greek community of Cyprus that is unaware of this reality or not.Because if it is then, this will mean that there's a real problem that might cause trouble for the both nations.

Taking into account the blatant no of our neighbours to Peace with us, we must more concentrate on showing that we are not in a position to surrender and funny demands such as recognising the terrorist regime of papadopullos and his friends as the Cyprus Republic will never give any results.

We must notice that nearly half of the greek cypriots did not visit TRNC. Taking into account the fact that a considerable number of them are fanatics that are dreaming of kicking the Turkish Cypriots from their houses, adding to this the continuous denial of the terrorist regime of south cyprus of the sufferings of the Turkish Cypriot Nation between 1963 and 1974* it's not very difficult to guess what kind of things might happen in case of a military superiority by greeks.

The behaviours of the Greek Cypriot Leadership, and the motivation of theirs to sabotage anything that would be of good of the TC nation is a reflection of their fantasy of turning the Cyprus problem into a conflict between the EU and Turkey and by this way with the help of the use of fancy words like "European Solution" turning(or trying to turn more truly) us into a minority.

What the glorious Turkish Cypriot Nation must deal with is firstly the internal problems of TRNC such as clearing the political arena of traitor politicians that do not have respect for the distinct culture, beliefs and norms of their own nation. For years people that had no respect for their own nation ruled TRNC and this caused us to divide in such a manner that even greeks who tend to behave us peacefully(hristofias) can now, unashamed make disrespectful comments like "...Turkey's recognition of us is of no big deal for the TCs.This way we would start negotiating with Turkey rather than the TCs who really are our counterparts

Observe how the greeks unite under the leadership of a single person when it comes to national causes. This is what we must do and hopefully at least slowly what we seem to be doing(latest resolution of the TRNC parliament accepted unanimously rejecting the illegal demands of the terrorist regime to be recognised as the ruler of the TCs)

"Those who do not know the past are deemed to repeat it"

*though it's certain,that the fact that one of the main initiators of the Genocide and expell from the republic of the Turkish Cypriots, Papadopullos, is the leader of the terrorist regime shows clearly that it's rather impossible for the TC sufferings to be recognised by the pseudo organisation at south.

*italic parts written by tcypriot

*Just the nature of the fact that; greeks did not have the legal authority to one sidedly close the Turkish Cypriot Communal Chamber(parliament) but they did at all the illegality its'; and one of the masters of this terrorist action is now the Greek Cypriot Leader Papadoppolos who continuously uses these fancy words like "European Solution" shows us what is deep within this wording.

*for greek cypriots that recognise what the TCs passed through between 1963 and 1974 and who are ready to accept a bizonal,bipolar(political equality +1 -1 = balance) federal state: It's up to you to turn your society into a progressive one, free of religious interventions of some superstitious personalities or the leadership of some hardcore terrorists..TCs offered a peacefull handshake but that was rejected, now its your turn...

[tcypriot]

*about the poll: there're not enough options..No Greek Cypriots in North is very harsh as there are good people in all communities but %33 of the population is also very high taking into account the realities..

[magikthrill]

You know what, you're right.

The only people that should be allowed to settle in the north should be TCs. Oh and anyone from Turkey of course.

That should settle the Cypriot problem.

[MicAtCyp]

Alasya,
Could you please explain me how the Northern Part of Nicosia became a TC sector all of a sudden after the 1960 agreements? Was there any violence against the TCs then? Who forced the TCs to prepare such a big area extended for as far as Kionelli, to be used in the future as their first biggest enclave?

If you don't know the answers I will be more than glad to explain you. Also could you please tell us when exactly the TCs were 1/3 of the population??? And when they were so "over-represented in its wealth"? For your information ever since the British kept records the TCs were always around 18% of the population and their privately owned land around 12%.

Reading one sided crap is easy my dear, however reproducing it like a tape recorder just reveals immaturity. Get more informed, will you?

Now do you understand why Turkish-Cypriots want a
separation of territory?

A separation of territory means borders and checkpoints to control the situation. This equals two separate states. Before asking for such a thing, first consider the consequences. Then consider if the GCs will accept. Third consider if the original reasons for wanting separation exist today.

Nevertherless, I found your posts about Belgium enlightening.

[Alasya]

MicAtCyp wrote

"A separation of territory means borders and checkpoints to control the situation. This equals two separate states. Before asking for such a thing, first consider the consequences. Then consider if the GCs will accept. Third consider if the original reasons for wanting separation exist today.

Nevertherless, I found your posts about Belgium enlightening"

No, absolutely not, a separation of territory does not necessarily mean two separate states. Belgium, Switwerland, Bosnia, Canada all have a seraration territory based on language and / or ethnicity, the two do not always come together, but they are unitary states with one international character.

If you read my messages on Belgium and was truly enlightened by it, then you wouldn't have arrived at such a conclusion.

As for what the Greek-Cypriots are prepared to accept. I was under the impression that the biggest concession made by the G/C side since 1978 (made by ex-president Makarios before his death) has been an acceptance of negotiating toward bizonality. Vassiliou and Clerides have also been negotiating toward bizonality. However toward the end of Clerides' presidency with the &st Annan plan, the Greek-Cypriot leadership accepted[/b] the Annan plan as a basis for negotiation, and they knew that the word federal existed in its text. In a federation you have component states; in bizonality, you have zones, both will most likely be ethnically homogenous. Therefore in terms of separation of territory, and a separation of Greek and Turkish Cypriots, it amounts to the same thing.

As for North Nicosia, the area has traditionally been populated by T/Cs, the Nicosia suburban villages/towns of Mandres, Gonyeli (Konyali) and Ortakoy, all entirely Turkish -Cypriot villages and large villages are located in the periphery of North Nicosia. The fact that this area became an enclave does not surprise me. If armed Greek and Greek-Cypriot militia did not begin a campaign of terror against the islands Turkish-Cypriots with the Akritas plan as their bible then this situation would never have produced itself.

One of the reasons this area swelled with Turkish-Cypriots, some armed to the teeth was because Turkish-Cypriot villages in other areas of the island (Troodos, Limassol) had been attacked or the Turkish-Cypriots had been forced to leave by threat of violence and death, and had ended up there, helped by nobody but their own people.

Immaturity is a label best suited to those who cannot articulate themselves without using words like "crap" and patronizing terms like "my dear".

[Piratis]

As I said in another thread, I would accept to adopt what any EU country has, Belgium included. This of course means adopting everything, or changing the things that both communities want to change. If for some things we do not agree, then it will remain exactly as it is in Belgium. What do you think?