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[Kifeas]

Hi Kifeas,

I've just noticed your motto: "Cyprus is one, indivisible & belongs to its Cypriot people!"

I think this might be indicative of your slight grasp on facts.

Firstly, Cyprus is, at the very least, four (N, S, BritSovBases, UN).

Secondly, as is pretty well accepted by everyone everywhere it is actually divided at the moment.

Thirdly, whilst in the past Cypriots (as well as a fair few Brits) may have owned Cyprus we've now pimped out our island to all and sundry. Israelis, Arabs, Germans, the EU as well as ermmmm, even more Brits. Give it another five years or so and we'll all be in the minority and we certainly wont be owning much of this "corner-of-earth-touched-by-heaven".

Something in common at last. Maybe we can join together then as co-minorities - our tag: G&TCs (any lemon with that?).

I am sorry, but the above make no sense to me!

[Piratis]

Everybody is allowed have an opinion. Bakala and his similars could sit at their homes in the UK and have any opinion they wanted. From the moment they decided to commit a crime against us it is not about their opinion anymore but it is about their criminal illegal action.

Illegal actions can definitely not be accepted or respected, neither the people that commit them.

[zan]

Trying to change the constitution that was signed by both sides without the legal authority of the TCs = Illegal.

Trying to ENOSIS the island without the votes of both sides = Illegal.

Killing English soldiers and TC policemen = Illegal.

Killing GC and TC civilians = Illegal.

Four counts and counting!!!!

[Piratis]

Trying to change the constitution that was signed by both sides without the legal authority of the TCs = Illegal.

Never happened. What happened was a proposal for changes to the constitution. You rejected those changes and because of this they were never implemented.

Proposing to change the constitution = legal

Trying to ENOSIS the island without the votes of both sides = Illegal.

We tried for enosis before 1960 during the fight against the colonialists from 1955-59. Since when De-colonization is illegal? Take a look at the UN resolution about decolonization ( http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm ) and there you will see that " integration into an independent State" is a perfectly legal option for territories that are decolonized.
This option should have been given to the Cypriot people as a whole to democratically decided, and what would be illegal is if an 18% minority blocked the democratic wish of the majority and not the opposite. After 1960 GCs did not try for enosis, but on the contrary TCs insisted on partition.

Killing English soldiers and TC policemen = Illegal.

Fighting against colonialism was our right.

Killing GC and TC civilians = Illegal.

And if you count them, you will see that Turkey and TCs killed many 1000s of GC civilians, while a much smaller number of TCs got killed. And this is counting only our recent history. If I go before that the number of GC civilians that the Turks have killed will reach many 10s of thousands (actually in one day the Turks had killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone)

Therefore Zan stop trying to present GCs as the agressors when in fact Turks are the ones who are acting illegally TODAY and Turks have been the ones who have acted illegally and committed the most crimes during our history both recent and distant.

When will you change and stop looking for excuses for even more crimes and illegalities?

[zan]

Trying to change the constitution that was signed by both sides without the legal authority of the TCs = Illegal.

Never happened. What happened was a proposal for changes to the constitution. You rejected those changes and because of this they were never implemented.

O.F.: And is it true that you deprived them of many constitutional privileges, Beatitude? M.: I deprived them of nothing. I simply complained about those privileges because they only served to hamper the functioning of the state. The Constitution provides that they be represented in the government at the ratio of thirty percent. And very often the Turkish Cypriots didn't have people capable of filling that thirty percent. There was, for example, a post that I could have been filled by an intelligent Greek and it had to be given to an illiterate Turk just because he was a Turk. Once they voted against taxes. I tried to explain to them that a state can't survive if the citizens don't pay taxes, and they refused anyway. So I forced them to pay all the same. Was that an abuse? Another time, when I was about to go to Belgrade for the conference of nonaligned countries, Mr. Denktash tried to stop me from going by exercising his veto power. I told him, "Exercise it all you like. I'm going just the same." Was that an abuse?'

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/makarios ... allaci.htm

Illegalities of a pompous man. True democracy or dictatorship?

[Kifeas]

(actually in one day the Turks had killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone)

No Piratis, you make a mistake here! It was not in 1 day but in 3 days.

The one day case was in 1821 (19 of July) when the Ottoman Turks beheaded some 800 GCs all around Cyprus, including Archbishop Kyprianos and 4 other bishops that they hanged from some trees outside the Seray square near Kyrenia gate in Nicosia, on the suspicion that they may have been conspiring to make a revolution in Cyprus, along the lines of the then under way Greek revolution.

[zan]

Trying to ENOSIS the island without the votes of both sides = Illegal.

We tried for enosis before 1960 during the fight against the colonialists from 1955-59. Since when De-colonization is illegal? Take a look at the UN resolution about decolonization ( http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm ) and there you will see that " integration into an independent State" is a perfectly legal option for territories that are decolonized.
This option should have been given to the Cypriot people as a whole to democratically decided, and what would be illegal is if an 18% minority blocked the democratic wish of the majority and not the opposite. After 1960 GCs did not try for enosis, but on the contrary TCs insisted on partition.

A simple but semi effective solution that was probably derived at by some brilliant Greek mathematician. Put an A In front of EOKA for the pre 1960 era and put a B in front of EOKA for the period after. Problem solved. Pontius Pilate once again.

[zan]

(actually in one day the Turks had killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone)

No Piratis, you make a mistake here! It was not in 1 day but in 3 days.

The one day case was in 1821 (19 of July) when the Ottoman Turks beheaded some 800 GCs all around Cyprus, including Archbishop Kyprianos and 4 other bishops that they hanged from some trees outside the Seray square near Kyrenia gate in Nicosia, on the suspicion that they may have been conspiring to make a revolution in Cyprus, along the lines of the then under way Greek revolution.

Was that pre Attaturks Turkey??????

[zan]

Killing English soldiers and TC policemen = Illegal.

Fighting against colonialism was our right.

Fighting against a dictatorship was ours.

[zan]

Killing GC and TC civilians = Illegal.

And if you count them, you will see that Turkey and TCs killed many 1000s of GC civilians, while a much smaller number of TCs got killed. And this is counting only our recent history. If I go before that the number of GC civilians that the Turks have killed will reach many 10s of thousands (actually in one day the Turks had killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone)

Therefore Zan stop trying to present GCs as the agressors when in fact Turks are the ones who are acting illegally TODAY and Turks have been the ones who have acted illegally and committed the most crimes during our history both recent and distant.

When will you change and stop looking for excuses for even more crimes and illegalities?

Murderers rot in jails together Piratis regardless of the number of people they killed. They can only be hung once.