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[bakala]

Alexis

just stating that my " narritive is inaccurate " doesent work mate, Justify your statement with facts if you can, the Intention to intervene by the British Goverment is officialy known as fact because the secrecy act that keeps documents relating to those times buried from public view ran out of its 25 years in the year 2000, its all a matter of public record and cant be denied

[Viewpoint]

Attitudes like that are why Cyprus is moving further away from peace and compromise and closer to the rigid thinking brought about by propaganda, hatred and bitterness.

I'm not prepared to accept that this kind of nationalist thinking will prevail. It's not going to be all one way or the other, it never is. Without the spirit of compromise, nothing will change.

Unfortunately reportfromcyprus, Kifeas has a point. Many people think partition is the way forward, without realising that to agree to this most GCs will probably insist on an 80:20 split in the land. How exactly is this going to happen without causing more heartache, especially for the TCs? No one is going to agree to partition and what's more it's not going to benefit anyone even if it does happen.

Why wont it work Alexis, we can let GCs come back to reside in the TRNC, they can be a minorty in the north and live under TC administered democracy and human rights, just as the GC see fit for us. Depending on how many decide to come back we can adjust the land distribution accordingly what do you say?

You wont have to share anything with us but the island and I will not fear being a minority in a GC state.

[Kifeas]

Bakaliaro,

Since you continue to insist propagandising in favour of partition, (regardless of the numerous factual mistakes in your little narration above and contrary to the official policy of the current Turkish Cypriot leadership,) I have yet to see your map of Cyprus with the 18% of the partitioned area for the Turkish Cypriots. Why is it taking you so long to present us with such a map Bakarialo? Is it difficult for you to decide which 18% of Cyprus to cut off from the rest?

Attitudes like that are why Cyprus is moving further away from peace and compromise and closer to the rigid thinking brought about by propaganda, hatred and bitterness.

I'm not prepared to accept that this kind of nationalist thinking will prevail. It's not going to be all one way or the other, it never is. Without the spirit of compromise, nothing will change.

Can you please translate the above, or is it just a nonsense written in English?

[Alexis]

Why wont it work Alexis, we can let GCs come back to reside in the TRNC, they can be a minorty in the north and live under TC administered democracy and human rights, just as the GC see us. Deoending on how many decide to come back we can adjust the land distribution accordingly what do you say?

So you'll allow all the GC refugees to return? I had this conversation with bg_turk once. We used the figures on land-ownership provided by what we deemed to be a reliable enough source and we even accounted for the displaced TCs from the south to displace an equal number of GCs from the north. This resulted in the GCs being a 45% minority in the TRNC with ownership of approximately 55% of the land. Is the TRNC prepared to do this?

[Kifeas]

Until the truth of those times is admitted by both sides the problem will never go away and the sore will never heal

About the only part of your narrative to which I will agree. What you fail to realise is that your narrative is far from the truth.

The truth is that the past is history and this country's future is being held back by the refusal of the government to compromise and reveal its agenda IN DETAIL. We keep getting broad generalisations that could mean anything.

Which government’s refusal to compromise are you talking about? Do you mean the Turkish one?

[Viewpoint]

Why wont it work Alexis, we can let GCs come back to reside in the TRNC, they can be a minorty in the north and live under TC administered democracy and human rights, just as the GC see us. Deoending on how many decide to come back we can adjust the land distribution accordingly what do you say?

So you'll allow all the GC refugees to return? I had this conversation with bg_turk once. We used the figures on land-ownership provided by what we deemed to be a reliable enough source and we even accounted for the displaced TCs from the south to displace an equal number of GCs from the north. This resulted in the GCs being a 45% minority in the TRNC with ownership of approximately 55% of the land. Is the TRNC prepared to do this?

Was this to allow 37% of the land distribution in favor of the TRNC? will all these GCs want to come back some will accept compensation for land used. Some will not want to reside in the north. So if you have discussed it with bg then it is viable.

[Kifeas]

Alexis

how on earth do you think the Greek Cypriots can insist on a split of 80:20 of the land ?
the North is the North and the south the south. i dont see why the Turkish Cypriots should hand over any of the land they now occupy, why should they ?

As for partition not benifiting anyone , what you mean is it wont benifit you. and thas all you care about you !

What do you mean by this bakaliaro?

Do you mean that Cyprus was Geographically or administratively split into north and south across the current occupation (cease fire) line, since time and memorial; or are you asking us to accept and suck the results of the illegal Turkish invasion, ethnic cleansing of the GCs and illegal occupation as a fait accompli? Can you please clarity your above comments?

[Alexis]

Was this to allow 37% of the land distribution in favor of the TRNC? will all these GCs want to come back some will accept compensation for land used. Some will not want to reside in the north. So if you have discussed it with bg then it is viable.

Yes, you are right, quite a few GCs would not want to come back, especially to live in an independent TRNC. All will insist, however, on the option to return, if not to their actual homes then to their village. Many/most will choose to get compensation. Of course in this situation the GC minority could insist on minority rights in the TRNC (such as a quota system for government positions and a certain number of representatives). What we will end up with is southern Cyprus with no Turkish influence and a TRNC with a Greek minority. This is certainly a viable option for discussion, I just cannot see it being easier to agree on the details than it would be to agree to the details of a unification plan. Moreover the benefits of unification to Cyprus' economy and the clout of a unified Cyprus over a split country in the international arena are of benefit to both communities.

[reportfromcyprus]

Bakaliaro,

Since you continue to insist propagandising in favour of partition, (regardless of the numerous factual mistakes in your little narration above and contrary to the official policy of the current Turkish Cypriot leadership,) I have yet to see your map of Cyprus with the 18% of the partitioned area for the Turkish Cypriots. Why is it taking you so long to present us with such a map Bakarialo? Is it difficult for you to decide which 18% of Cyprus to cut off from the rest?

Attitudes like that are why Cyprus is moving further away from peace and compromise and closer to the rigid thinking brought about by propaganda, hatred and bitterness.

I'm not prepared to accept that this kind of nationalist thinking will prevail. It's not going to be all one way or the other, it never is. Without the spirit of compromise, nothing will change.

Can you please translate the above, or is it just a nonsense written in English?

Suddenly you don't understand English?

[Alexis]

how on earth do you think the Greek Cypriots can insist on a split of 80:20 of the land ?
the North is the North and the south the south. i dont see why the Turkish Cypriots should hand over any of the land they now occupy, why should they ?

I don't see why they should hold onto that land purely based on their population especially if they are the ones that insist on partition. Simply stating that they should keep the land isn't an argument, what reasons do you cite?

As for partition not benifiting anyone , what you mean is it wont benifit you. and thas all you care about you !

bakala, just so you know, I now live in the UK and have made that my home. I have never owned land in Northern Cyprus and so would neither benefit or not benefit from any particular plan regarding property. To maintain that a partitioned Cyprus will function as well and grow economically as successfully as a unified Cyprus in the long term is just wrong.