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Kikapu has chosen and adopted another country as his land to make a life since 1964. He is free to visit the whole of cyprus with out feeling guilty in any way. No one in cyprus will know or care which part of cyprus is he visiting or moving ot staying. I do not know what is the issue?
He remembers things the way they ware then. On more than one occasion in the recent past he tried to engulf me to show hatred against my fellow Cypriot brothers.
He is an old mind. He is hard to change from his discriminatory and racist mind. Just simply scroll through his post's in this forum to realise and understand. The evidence is there.

Who re? Kikapu??????
Careful man, Kikapu is not like that. Are you confusing him for another person maybe?

Mickleham,

I swear to you, I read the above three times, and each time I came to the same conclusion, and that is: What the hell are you on about.?? Perhaps you should try and tackle one subject at a time, so that perhaps you would make sense as to what is it that you want to say.

As far as being a "Superman", that role is already being played by Sotos. !!

I'm going to be nice to you today and not repeat the "titles" I have chosen for you, even though you have earned them all by yourself.!!

Please provide us all to see, all my racist and discriminatory posts you claim that I have made.

Oh, one more thing, I did not choose to leave Cyprus, rather it was brought on us to leave Cyprus, back in 1964.!!

I was shocked too Kikapu. Most propably he took you for someone else.
I saw he later on came back insisting, perhaps he should give us a link, to see what is going on.

[Pyrpolizer]

Just for the record. you assume that anyone buying land in north Cyprus must be buying ex Greek Cypriot land, Why is that ?
don't you know that many Turkish Cypriots owned land in North Cyprus prior to the attempt to annihilate them.

First of all there is no such thing as ex-GC land. Secondly you yourself said you don’t care if the land you bought belongs to a GC or a TC. 90% of the land in the occupied part of Cyprus belongs to GCs. So dont you know that those many TCs owned land in the occupied part of Cyprus is only 10% and sells at much higher prices?
As for the attempt to annihilate them numbers speak for themselves. You are actually spreading propaganda. And you are a foreigner who does that on purpose.

you assume that all of Cyprus belongs to Greek Cypriots and none of it to Turkish Cypriots,

I assume nothing, and this silly argument was answered to you many times before.

The rest of your comments are so silly and out of reality that I would really need ages to straighten them out. So heres a short cut:

The troubles only started because of Denktash despotic idiot wanted to split the island and displace more than 1/3 of GCs for his less numerous Turkish Cypriot population to create their own state. The drive for Taksim by the TC politician's and settled Militants in every village led these simple hospitable people, both Greek and Turkish Cypriots, to civil unrest, where some people (not more than 1500 in 14 years) from both communities lost their lives in comparison to 6000 GC dead in just 30 days due to the Turkish Invasion of 1974.

Your ideology as a British foreigner has never changed for the last 40 years it is the same ideology of siding with one of the sides -the famous "divide and rule trick" who even supports the same idiotic refusal to acknowledge that the Greek Cypriots have rights too in the occupied part opf Cyprus, only confirms that you are a racist of the worst kind, and an idiot.

If the Turkish Cypriots are guilty of anything they are only guilty of surviving the attempt to annihilate them, If Turkey hadn't intervened there wouldn't be a Turkish Cypriot alive on this Island today, because people like you would have consigned them to mass graves dug by night and leveled before dawn.

If, and if, and if, and if…. Prove it! Numbers and already occured events prove you are a complete lier.

Your answer to everything is trying to by-side with one of the two communities in Cyprus, you really do need to grow up a bit, this board is for mature people not for people who while they were kids were buying a sandwitch every morning to the bullykid of the school to earn his grace, and profit from his loot.

[Pyrpolizer]

If you were clever enough to read my first post you would have discovered I warned the moderators that if such personal insults were going to be allowed we to would do the same. I only started to use such language after this warning but not in terms such as Kifeas who has said;

It is not the first time you are crying for the moderators interference in this forum and it is not the first time you pretend you are afraid and use your fear to conclude "how we can live together with such people -scaring". So either you are just pretending i.e you are lying or you are in fact chicky. Tell me which one you are. And btw yes you are cursing too. I curse as well, and I could curse more if I wanted to, simply avoid it or try to keep it limited, and do so only in response. However I don’t play the virgin Mary and go crying to the Mods like you do.
May I remind you that when you were once absolutely right many people here supported you, including myself.

These are just the tip of the ice berg and you choose to ignore this shit coming from your fellow GC and blame me for responding. Nothing has changed your mentality stinks of the past has TCs houses were burned down you turned your back and said nothing as innocent people got taken away and shot you said nothing and you have the audacity to say its our fault. The above abuse and threats are not being banned about by TCs but no other than your friend Kifeas and to a lesser extent by Piratis. Its OK for your intelligent country men to call someone a fagot, vagabond thief and wish them dead but you are such a hypocrite that we are not allowed to respond in the same fashion, and you do not bat an eyelid and say to your beloved brothers Kifeas and Piratis shut the fuck up you have no right to talk to people in that manner. Typical.

I am a person who always defends the weak. I said many times in this forum that I never in my life met a TC before 1974, and be sure if I were present at events were the TCs were mistreated I would put myself in front of them for pretection. Now your community and pseudo is actually mistreating Kifeas so whatever he says he is right.

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Pyrpolizer

fact chicky

You are not making sense, what is chicky?

And btw yes you are cursing too. I curse as well, and I could curse more if I wanted to, simply avoid it or try to keep it limited, and do so only in response

There are varying degrees and I never curse until someone is rude to me first, I do not wish anyone dead like your friend Kifeas does.
Do you agree with what he said? (If you conveniently dont remmeber please read back)why do you condone what he said?

However I don’t play the virgin Mary and go crying to the Mods like you do.

Should I stay silent, turn a blind eye and let an innocent person be accused of all and sundry sorry you might be able to do this but I cant.

May I remind you that when you were once absolutely right many people here supported you, including myself.

Thank you.

I am a person who always defends the weak. I said many times in this forum that I never in my life met a TC before 1974, and be sure if I were present at events were the TCs were mistreated I would put myself in front of them for pretection. Now your community and pseudo is actually mistreating Kifeas so whatever he says he is right.

If only there were more of you back then that spoke up to moderators/leaders, I have said to Kifeas many times I wish I could wave a magic wand and give him back his property but I cant. the only way is to negotiate sincerely and genuinely and to do this it takes 2.

If, and if, and if, and if…. Prove it! Numbers and already occured events prove you are a complete lier.

The only way to prove it was to end up in those graves, the threat and desire was there the execution failed which I am sure you are also happy about this result as a you said in your post

I am a person who always defends the weak. I said many times in this forum that I never in my life met a TC before 1974, and be sure if I were present at events were the TCs were mistreated I would put myself in front of them for pretection

[Pyrpolizer]

VP stop crying.
I already replied that whatever other people said they had every right to say it. As you yourself push them to the point of having no other option.
You yourself is repeating I should make you feel nice otherwise you will never return my properties.
I say go to hell.

Chicky is a little chicken

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The only way to prove it was to end up in those graves, the threat and desire was there the execution failed which I am sure you are also happy about this result as a you said in your post

Those who ended in graves were TMTs and Eokas. Also some innocent villagers like the 20 villagers the chicky TMTs left behind in Kofinou while they themselves escaped and Grivas slaughtered the villagers thinking they were TMTs.
The numbers speak for themselves. The incidents were sporadic, with only 2 major ones one in 1963 and one in 1967. And even in those major incidents not more than 200 people died. Besides do you forget the 100s of GCs who were burned alive at the Airbombing with Napalm bombs of GC villages (when was that ,1967 at Tulliria?)

If there was desire as you put it to put the TC people in graves it would have happened in those 14 years especially when Grivas was alive. Nothing like that happened. Not a single TC was hurt during the just one week that the coup lasted while Sampson was in power. NOT A SINGLE TC. After that one and only week Klerides took over, the bash Kumbaros of Denktash, the nephew of Denktash, the man who for 10 years cooked the AP behind our backs, and finally sold his own people in collaboration with the Anglo-Americans.Thank God, Honourable President Mr Tassos Papadopoulos saved us the last minute otherwise we would all end up looking for a New Cyprus hometown, somewhere in Europe like refugees once again.

This is the greatest proof , yes KLERIDES is a known Turkophilo. Denktash owes his life to Klerides as he is the one who saved him when Grivas men caught him smugling guns in Cyprus in the 60s. Yes klerides saved him and you tell me with Klerides president after Sampson fell, the TCs would end up in graves?????

If, and if, and if, and if…. The FACT is NOTHING happened to the TCs after the coup, NOTHING would happen to them after Klerides took ever. Yet Turkey invaded 2 days after Klerides took over while Sampson was already history….

And the fact is 6000 GCs where thereafter killed by Turkey the vast majority civilians within just one month.

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VP stop crying.
I already replied that whatever other people said they had every right to say it. As you yourself push them to the point of having no other option.
You yourself is repeating I should make you feel nice otherwise you will never return my properties.
I say go to hell.

Chicky is a little chicken

Why are you so fixated with thinking that Im crying thank you for your concern but I fine dont worry.

I cant make sense of the above post.

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Pyrpolizer

Those who ended in graves were TMTs and Eokas. Also some innocent villagers like the 20 villagers the chicky TMTs left behind in Kofinou while they themselves escaped and Grivas slaughtered the villagers thinking they were TMTs.
The numbers speak for themselves. The incidents were sporadic, with only 2 major ones one in 1963 and one in 1967. And even in those major incidents not more than 200 people died. Besides do you forget the 100s of GCs who were burned alive at the Airbombing with Napalm bombs of GC villages (when was that ,1967 at Tulliria?)

This is to the credit of the Tc reisistence that were clever enough to move into enclaves which was only 3% of the island to create safe havens and protect TC lives, seems to have done the job. I hate to think what the figures would have been if TCs were scattered and exposed to Greek/GC aggression.

If there was desire as you put it to put the TC people in graves it would have happened in those 14 years especially when Grivas was alive. Nothing like that happened. Not a single TC was hurt during the just one week that the coup lasted while Sampson was in power. NOT A SINGLE TC. After that one and only week Klerides took over, the bash Kumbaros of Denktash, the nephew of Denktash, the man who for 10 years cooked the AP behind our backs, and finally sold his own people in collaboration with the Anglo-Americans.Thank God, Honourable President Mr Tassos Papadopoulos saved us the last minute otherwise we would all end up looking for a New Cyprus hometown, somewhere in Europe like refugees once again.

This is the greatest proof , yes KLERIDES is a known Turkophilo. Denktash owes his life to Klerides as he is the one who saved him when Grivas men caught him smugling guns in Cyprus in the 60s. Yes klerides saved him and you tell me with Klerides president after Sampson fell, the TCs would end up in graves?????

If, and if, and if, and if…. The FACT is NOTHING happened to the TCs after the coup, NOTHING would happen to them after Klerides took ever. Yet Turkey invaded 2 days after Klerides took over while Sampson was already history….

Who knows what would have happened the threat was very strong and if it was your life at risk would you accept just to wait for your fate, I dont think you would and Turkey intervening would be like your guardian angel putting an end to your daily ordeal of when will we be wiped off the face of this island.

While you thank your leader ask him when he thinks he will agree to the EU direct aid/trade package? and if he thinks the EU will happen this millenium?

And the fact is 6000 GCs where thereafter killed by Turkey the vast majority civilians within just one month.

This figure is debatable but I will let it pass yet again.

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This is to the credit of the Tc reisistence that were clever enough to move into enclaves which was only 3% of the island to create safe havens and protect TC lives, seems to have done the job. I hate to think what the figures would have been if TCs were scattered and exposed to Greek/GC aggression.

The enclaves were not 3% of the land! This is another widespread lie. The enclaves served 2 purposes: One was for security. The second was for creating a state within a state. You seem to always forget the second reason. Furthermore once a TC would move into an enclave he was restricted by his own people to return, even threatened with his life by the TMTs. Why do you always forget these facts?
You also forget the fact that many TCs never moved into enclaves. What happened to them, were they "annihilated"? ? ? ? ?

Who knows what would have happened the threat was very strong and if it was your life at risk would you accept just to wait for your fate, I dont think you would and Turkey intervening would be like your guardian angel putting an end to your daily ordeal of when will we be wiped off the face of this island.

It was proved from events that occurred after the coup there was no risk for the TCs as nobody was hurt. After Klerides took over the risk dropped to zero. The coup was staged so that Turkey would use it for an excuse to invade. Turkey did not just intervened she INVADED, killed, raped and practiced ethnic cleansing. You are happy with the result as it gave you free properties and free goods upto 4 times of what you left behind. Nothing more than that. The Turks proved more oppressive to you than the Gcs themselves. And they force you slowly out of Cyprus by importing settlers. What you accuse Makarios of attempting to do to you without success (i.e make you abandon Cyprus) was done to you already by the Turks who "saved" you.

While you thank your leader ask him when he thinks he will agree to the EU direct aid/trade package? and if he thinks the EU will happen this millenium?

Honourable President Mr Tassos Papadopoulos accepted the aid package from the very first minute. He also accepted direct trade through Famagusta port on exchange of Varoshia. It is your side that rejects everything. You cannot have everything without giving something in return.

This figure is debatable but I will let it pass yet again.

Debatable as to what? Whether it includes the 1500 killed during the coup? OK take those out. Add the 1600 missing for 30+ years (apparently dead). Or if you like take those out too. We are still left with 7-8 number more dead in just 30 days than what we had within 14 years!

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Pyrpolizer

The enclaves were not 3% of the land! This is another widespread lie. The enclaves served 2 purposes: One was for security. The second was for creating a state within a state. You seem to always forget the second reason. Furthermore once a TC would move into an enclave he was restricted by his own people to return, even threatened with his life by the TMTs. Why do you always forget these facts?
You also forget the fact that many TCs never moved into enclaves. What happened to them, were they "annihilated"? ? ? ? ?

I was referring to the safety of the TCs at that time and the fear of being annihilated was paramount for them to move into ghettos in order to save their lives. As for the state in a state well what did you expect them to do having been kicked out of government by greedy GCs who did not even adhere to their own Supreme court judgements and proposed to change the constitution taking away the rights that were put in place to protect the TC community.

The annihilation of those that dared live outside the enclaves was always a genuine fear and could have been executed by GCs at anytime thank god and Turkey they acted before that time came.

It was proved from events that occurred after the coup there was no risk for the TCs as nobody was hurt. After Klerides took over the risk dropped to zero. The coup was staged so that Turkey would use it for an excuse to invade. Turkey did not just intervened she INVADED, killed, raped and practiced ethnic cleansing. You are happy with the result as it gave you free properties and free goods upto 4 times of what you left behind. Nothing more than that. The Turks proved more oppressive to you than the Gcs themselves. And they force you slowly out of Cyprus by importing settlers. What you accuse Makarios of attempting to do to you without success (i.e make you abandon Cyprus) was done to you already by the Turks who "saved" you.

The risk was very evident is was only a matter of time that the annihilation of the TCs would occur, the danger and threat alone were sufficient for Turkey to act. The many deaths are regretable but Im pretty certain that if we were the side that ignited the wrath of Greece they would not have stopped to have souvlaki with us but put us somewhere where would no longer exist. You conveniently ignore that in times of war no there is no reason and rime just death, Kosova Vietnam, Iraq....
(I am not trying to make excuses and I am very sorry for all the deaths on both sides I only wish it had of been different and that no one was hurt or killed, but as it is all over the world innocent people pay the price).

Honourable President Mr Tassos Papadopoulos accepted the aid package from the very first minute. He also accepted direct trade through Famagusta port on exchange of Varoshia. It is your side that rejects everything. You cannot have everything without giving something in return.

He accepted it on his own grounds and not on the grounds of the EU where it does not state the return of Maras/Varosha for the lifting of isolation on the TC community.

Debatable as to what? Whether it includes the 1500 killed during the coup? OK take those out. Add the 1600 missing for 30+ years (apparently dead). Or if you like take those out too. We are still left with 7-8 number more dead in just 30 days than what we had within 14 years!

Yes a figure as high as 2000 has been quoted for GCs killed in the coup. the missing are also being located on your own side where you have a court case which will confirm this. Then you can equate this into the size of the population, where there were far less TCs than GCs.
But do you feel volume confirms who is right and who is wrong? Just means one side is stronger than the other. However you manipulate these figures to score points the underlying factor is that any act of war is detestable and should be avoided at all costs but when people are in danger of annihilation you have no time to wait and see the result, you have to act which is what Turkey did.