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[andri_cy]

Yes we should do that. But first lets start with dinner in the US. Neutral ground since everyone seems to be fighting so much on here...

I will be in San Francisco for the whole month of November, so if you, the baby, and the "magic Wand" happen to be out there, let me know. There are so many fine restaurants there.

Unfortunately we are doing major rennovations and my brother in law is the contractor and I wouldnt dream of letting him do anything while I am not there. He has some silly ideas. But if you leave San Fransisco and travel this way let me know. I will give u my number.

[Mickleham]

You have burned 100 times more houses and killed 100 times more people, and then you are trying to present yourselves as the victims and the GCs as the aggressors?? oh please!!!

Piratis, read the above again and again and then ask yourself who, apart from you and your fellow nationalist Greeks would really believe it. Look, you silly little man, how many times do you need to be told? Nobody believes you, nobody sees you as the victim and no goddamn decent being on this planet would sympathise with you, if they did they would have solved your problem for you 30 years ago.

You were the aggressors, you were the killers and rapists, you tried to wipe out a whole race for the sake of fucking ENOSIS. Turkey gave you a well deserved slap and told you to behave. This is the long and short of the Cyprus issue. Since that slap you have behaved and the violence has ended. What's wrong with that?

My Dear mrfromng & Mr Piratis,

I do not know if you are from Turkish decent and i do not care from which decent are you coming from.

We are all Cypriots First. Which side suffered more or less should not be a consideration at this point of time. The Cypriot majority never wanted bloody Enosis. The Cypriot majority never wanted and they do not want it now or are trust the Greeks. The same goes for the Turks. They majority of Cypriots never wanted the Turks in Cyprus either. The past is past. One can use it for reference only.

Do not generalise and speak as if everyone was agreeable or accepted what has happened to my fellow Cypriots?
Kikapu has chosen and adopted another country as his land to make a life since 1964. He is free to visit the whole of cyprus with out feeling guilty in any way. No one in cyprus will know or care which part of cyprus is he visiting or moving ot staying. I do not know what is the issue?
He remembers things the way they ware then. On more than one occasion in the recent past he tried to engulf me to show hatred against my fellow Cypriot brothers.
He is an old mind. He is hard to change from his discriminatory and racist mind. Just simply scroll through his post's in this forum to realise and understand. The evidence is there.
Not to say that he is alone and not to say that he has not have irresponsible naive accomplices ( casual andri_cy, or/you falling into the his trap & others) who involuntarily encourage him here to think that he is a kind of "superman" or untouchable in this forum. Neither i am saying or have evidence that he is a bad person.

I am a very proud Cypriot and it does not bother me the ethnicity or religious beliefs of my fellow Cypriots and respected them equally and i criticize them based on merit with out favours.

I wish you all here adhere to some principals and then better things will come to our long suffering young nation and our people.

[bakala]

Pyrpolizer

Just for the record. you assume that anyone buying land in north Cyprus must be buying ex Greek Cypriot land, Why is that ?
don't you know that many Turkish Cypriots owned land in North Cyprus prior to the attempt to annihilate them.

you assume that all of Cyprus belongs to Greek Cypriots and none of it to Turkish Cypriots, is that why they were marked for their very own final solution ?

The troubles only started because your kind of despotic idiot wouldn't share the island with your less numerous neighbors the Turkish Cypriots, The drive for enosis by the politician's of the day led these simple hospitable people, both Greek and Turkish Cypriots, to an undeclared civil war, those who opposed the enosis with Greece were eradicated both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots were murdered by the Greek Cypriot militia and those Eoka Thugs simply for opposing enosis.


Your ideology has never changed for the last 40 years the same idiotic refusal to acknowledge that the Turkish Cypriots have rights too only confirms that you are a racist of the worst kind.

If the Turkish Cypriots are guilty of anything they are only guilty of surviving the attempt to annihilate them, If Turkey hadn't intervened there wouldn't be a Turkish Cypriot alive on this Island today, because people like you would have consigned them to mass graves dug by night and leveled before dawn.

Your answer to everything is Violence and threats, you really do need to grow up a bit, this board is for mature people not for ranting little kids who just bore us all with the same old claptrap

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[Kikapu]

My Dear mrfromng & Mr Piratis,

I do not know if you are from Turkish decent and i do not care from which decent are you coming from.

We are all Cypriots First. Which side suffered more or less should not be a consideration at this point of time. The Cypriot majority never wanted bloody Enosis. The Cypriot majority never wanted and they do not want it now or are trust the Greeks. The same goes for the Turks. They majority of Cypriots never wanted the Turks in Cyprus either. The past is past. One can use it for reference only.

Do not generalise and speak as if everyone was agreeable or accepted what has happened to my fellow Cypriots?
Kikapu has chosen and adopted another country as his land to make a life since 1964. He is free to visit the whole of cyprus with out feeling guilty in any way. No one in cyprus will know or care which part of cyprus is he visiting or moving ot staying. I do not know what is the issue?
He remembers things the way they ware then. On more than one occasion in the recent past he tried to engulf me to show hatred against my fellow Cypriot brothers.
He is an old mind. He is hard to change from his discriminatory and racist mind. Just simply scroll through his post's in this forum to realise and understand. The evidence is there.
Not to say that he is alone and not to say that he has not have irresponsible naive accomplices ( casual andri_cy, or/you falling into the his trap & others) who involuntarily encourage him here to think that he is a kind of "superman" or untouchable in this forum. Neither i am saying or have evidence that he is a bad person.

I am a very proud Cypriot and it does not bother me the ethnicity or religious beliefs of my fellow Cypriots and respected them equally and i criticize them based on merit with out favours.

I wish you all here adhere to some principals and then better things will come to our long suffering young nation and our people.

Mickleham,

I swear to you, I read the above three times, and each time I came to the same conclusion, and that is: What the hell are you on about.?? Perhaps you should try and tackle one subject at a time, so that perhaps you would make sense as to what is it that you want to say.

As far as being a "Superman", that role is already being played by Sotos. !!

I'm going to be nice to you today and not repeat the "titles" I have chosen for you, even though you have earned them all by yourself.!!

Please provide us all to see, all my racist and discriminatory posts you claim that I have made.

Oh, one more thing, I did not choose to leave Cyprus, rather it was brought on us to leave Cyprus, back in 1964.!!

[bakala]

Kikapu
could you please tell me your own story of why you left in 1964
perhaps a first hand account will convince evryone of what really what happend in those terrible days



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[Kikapu]

Kikapu
could you please tell me your own story of why you left in 1964
perhaps a first hand account will convince evryone of what really what happend in those terrible days .

Bakala,

I wish I knew how to bring post from another threads on to this one, perhaps you can do it for me if you know how, but anyway, I wrote 3 segments about myself starting few months before the outbreak of "civil war" in 1963 to few months afterwards in 1964. If you care to read it, it can be found on:

Cyprus Problem...page 2.

Thread...Personal experiences of inter-communal fighting, the truth..page 3.

Let me know, if you or anyone else you may have known to have had similar experiences.

[bakala]

Kikapu

I've just read your post on your childhood in Cyprus, i am sure there are very many similar stories from Greek and Turkish Cypriots, Its an extremely moving story and i congratulate you on not becoming bitter as many seem to have done.

i know from a first hand account of one Turkish Cypriot who was hidden by a Greek Cypriot. the Turkish Cypriot managed to escape to one of the enclaves, he later heard that a neighbor of the Greek Cypriot who helped him had informed the Militia and the Militia went to his house marched him up a road hit him on the head with a rifle butt then ran him over with a car till he died. Two women from the village witnessed it from where they were hiding in an orchard. His only crime was helping a friend he had known since childhood.


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[andri_cy]

Bakala, thanks for bringing that up. A lot of people on this forum insist that no GC stood up for a TC. I am sure that a lot of TCs stood up for Gc's too but they are individual stories and most possibly we will never hear about them unless it is from the horse's mouth.

[andri_cy]

I am a very proud Cypriot and it does not bother me the ethnicity or religious beliefs of my fellow Cypriots and respected them equally and i criticize them based on merit with out favours.

That's pretty rich coming from the same person who wanted to ban all American-Cypriots because they live in the US.
And just so you don't ask me what I am talking about here is the reminder:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7434

[bakala]

andri_cy

I know we have differing opinions on many things however I think we both agree on cold blooded murder being wrong, there were many instances where a Greek Cypriot paid the ultimate price for helping a Turkish Cypriot friend, I don’t believe that all Greek Cypriots were bad or that all Turkish Cypriots were good, The majority of both sides wanted nothing but to live in Peace, It was the people in Power at the time who set the people at each others throats but that is always the way of the people at the top.

Hitler did it in Germany in 1936 one half of the German people were keeping the other half under control. Hitler like Sadam Hussien spent huge amounts of the wealth of his country creating security forces and military forces whose only aim was to keep him in power and unopposed, The politicians in power in Cyprus at the time of the troubles played chess with the Cypriots as the pawns, The politicians couldn’t loose and the Cypriots couldn’t win because they were the ones who did the dying. The men who issued the orders sat in safety in Athens, while in the front line Cypriots from both sides died in the thousands.

The politicians in Europe sat drinking pink gins while the Cypriot people died and pretended nothing was happening, they hoped it would all end quickly so they wouldn’t have to get involved, Britain should have intervened instead of Turkey but acted too late, much to the shame of Brits like myself.


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