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[Kikapu]

Let me approach this Formula 1 and the $5 Mil. from another angle. The ROC was more than hoping for Turkey to lose future races, for the Talat stunt. Well, Formula 1, basically told the ROC that, we don't care about your political problems with the TRNC or Turkey. We are in the business of promoting our sport and to make money. Do we know how Turkey is suppose to pay this $5 Mil. "fine". I would not be surprised, if it comes down to, for Turkey to allow disadvantage children into the race next couple of years for free( since there are plenty of empty spaces anyway), and a free race caps and a drink, as to promote the sport amongst the young people. I would not even be surprised, if the race official from Formula 1 and Turkey did not have a prior understanding of the minds, to bring Talat, up to the championship podium. Lets not forget...Money talks, bullshit walks. Boy, the ROC must feel like crap, not being able to get the Formula 1 guys, to stand up against Turkey. Well, at least there's a rally in the ROC soon.

[Pyrpolizer]

Our side declared they are ready, its your side that keeps saying we have to prepare the ground carefully. If we are the ones holding things up then feel free to prove it expose to the world that we are the ones who do not want reunification. Maybe what your side feeds you is not always the truth.

Listen: After the Anan Plan your side does nothing but repeating they are "ready". Ready for what? You tell me. Do you remember when Talat said "we are ready to discuss everything"? Do you remember how Ankara pulled him from the ear next day calling him to go for a lesson there? Do you remember the day after Ankara declaring they would only accept some minor changes on a give and take basis on the Anan Plan? I bet you forgot all these.

Let’ s go on further examining this declaration of your side that "it is ready" after the incident with Ankara. There have been meetings with the UNSG and his envoys. It was agreed that no subtantial issues could be discussed between Papadopoulos and Talat unless they were first processed in technical committees. Let me give you one example why the technical committees are necessary. Suppose the leaders would discuss the matter of settlers. How on earth could anyone discuss this issue without first having independent and verified data as to a) Who the settlers are b) which lands/homes they now occupy c) how many of them are married with TCs d) what the duration of stay of each one is. Etc etc. Without these data it is impossible for any GC leader to know if what he will ever agree can be enforced after a solution, whether it is in line with the Aquis and many other important parameters.
Another issue is the property issue. If we (the GCs) are to make some compromises on this issue and not just stick on our right that all properties go back to the original owners no matter what, then how will we be able to do that without knowing what each and every TC got in the occupied, what is its value, what properties were used for public purposes etc etc. These are not simple issues that can just be agreed over a couple of rounds of meetings with Talat and Papadopoulos. They need to have the background of the technical committes.

So one starts wondering what the real purpose of Talat is by so illogically, and contrary to what was agreed with the UN he insists the only way to proceed is by having direct meetings with Papadopoulos. For us it is obvious he is targetting to a quick breakdown of the talks so that he starts a new propaganda cycle that the "hey we met, we discussed, the discussions collapsed, hence the only solution left is either the Anan Plan or parition.

It is not possible to prove you who is holding back the formation of the technical commitees because unfortunately both sides agreed with the UN that nothing will be made available publicly. I could possibly consider that our side is dragging its feet in allowing the Technical committees to make progress, IF those committees were ALREADY formed. However not only the committees did not start work they have not yet been formed.
Who you think is responsible for this. Papadopoulos who himself proposed the idea to the SG or Talat? Who you think could possibly be responsible for this Papadopoulos who unconditionally 4 weeks ago accepted Molers proposals of how to form those commiteees given your sides objections as to what those committees should work upon, or Talat who has not yet answered.
If I am not mistaken a couple of days ago your side together with Ankara submitted a letter to the UN titled "we accept", but that was just the title. There were so many conditions in the text that the title could well be: "We accept If, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if…. "

So I don’t think our side is feeding us with lies. We have ears to listen to something more essential than slogans of the type "we are ready", we have eyes to watch.

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer

Listen: After the Anan Plan your side does nothing but repeating they are "ready". Ready for what? You tell me. Do you remember when Talat said "we are ready to discuss everything"? Do you remember how Ankara pulled him from the ear next day calling him to go for a lesson there? Do you remember the day after Ankara declaring they would only accept some minor changes on a give and take basis on the Anan Plan? I bet you forgot all these.

You conveniently forget it has always been Talats hand that been extended since the rejection of the Annan plan to meet, but your leader said he would rather talk directly with Turkey.

Let’ s go on further examining this declaration of your side that "it is ready" after the incident with Ankara. There have been meetings with the UNSG and his envoys. It was agreed that no subtantial issues could be discussed between Papadopoulos and Talat unless they were first processed in technical committees

The following is the official response to Mollers proposals;

PRESIDENT TALAT: “OUR RESPONSE TO MOLLER WOULD ALSO SATISFY THE GREEK CYPRIOT SIDE”

President Mehmet Ali Talat stated that the Turkish Cypriot side responded the proposal of UN Secretary-General’s Special Representative Michael Moller regarding the start of the studies of technical committees and he thought that this response was capable of satisfying the views and position of the Greek Cypriot side.

Talat stressed that the Turkish Cypriot side did not want to turn the solution process of the Cyprus issue into an academic study, which will continue forever, but they wanted the political negotiations to start as soon as possible for reaching a settlement.

Responding to a question regarding the news appeared in the Greek Cypriot press, which alleged that the Turkish Cypriot side’s response given to Moller’s proposals was negative and its topic and content was not the same, Talat said: “We gave our response to Moller, not to the Greek Cypriot press. I don’t know from where the Greek Cypriot press found it and immediately interpreted it. Most probably it is a manipulation. As it is well known, the Greek Cypriot press is severely under the influence and control of the Greek Cypriot administration. I think this is a Greek Cypriot administration’s propaganda.

Of course, it is not possible for us to fully accept Moller’s proposal. Moller put forward his own views and we responded to the proposal within the framework of our policies. I think the Turkish Cypriot side’s response was capable of satisfying the views and position of the Greek Cypriot side. I don’t know why they reacted.

There is no such thing as the title and the content in our response. The title is the same as Moller’s. We made some arrangements in its content. Our only intention is the restart of the Cyprus negotiations as soon as possible. In other words, we don’t want to turn the solution process of the Cyprus issue into an academic study, which will continue forever. Academic studies are carried out in the universities. Both sides have there own universities where they can carry out academic studies. We want political negotiations and to reach a solution. Our proposals are in line with this. We don’t have any bad intention; on the contrary we have an extremely good intention. We expect response from Moller, not from the Greek Cypriot press.”

President Talat pointing out that they had not yet received response from Moller, said while submitting papers to Moller, necessary explanations were made to him and after Moller examined the papers they would meet again to discuss

Let me give you one example why the technical committees are necessary. Suppose the leaders would discuss the matter of settlers. How on earth could anyone discuss this issue without first having independent and verified data as to a) Who the settlers are b) which lands/homes they now occupy c) how many of them are married with TCs d) what the duration of stay of each one is. Etc etc. Without these data it is impossible for any GC leader to know if what he will ever agree can be enforced after a solution, whether it is in line with the Aquis and many other important parameters.

You are more naive than I thought they already have all this information, it was provided during the Annan plan negotiations, but hey of course thats something you would rather forget.

Another issue is the property issue. If we (the GCs) are to make some compromises on this issue and not just stick on our right that all properties go back to the original owners no matter what, then how will we be able to do that without knowing what each and every TC got in the occupied, what is its value, what properties were used for public purposes etc etc.

You really need to find better and more convencing excuses as its been 32 years all this info has been exchnaged either directly of via the UN many times.

So one starts wondering what the real purpose of Talat is by so illogically, and contrary to what was agreed with the UN he insists the only way to proceed is by having direct meetings with Papadopoulos. For us it is obvious he is targetting to a quick breakdown of the talks so that he starts a new propaganda cycle that the "hey we met, we discussed, the discussions collapsed, hence the only solution left is either the Anan Plan or parition.

This is your theory, I dont have to agree.

It is not possible to prove you who is holding back the formation of the technical commitees because unfortunately both sides agreed with the UN that nothing will be made available publicly.

So stop blaming us all the time.

I could possibly consider that our side is dragging its feet in allowing the Technical committees to make progress, IF those committees were ALREADY formed. However not only the committees did not start work they have not yet been formed.

Yoou should like I consider that it could also be our side.

Who you think is responsible for this. Papadopoulos who himself proposed the idea to the SG or Talat? Who you think could possibly be responsible for this Papadopoulos who unconditionally 4 weeks ago accepted Molers proposals of how to form those commiteees given your sides objections as to what those committees should work upon, or Talat who has not yet answered.
If I am not mistaken a couple of days ago your side together with Ankara submitted a letter to the UN titled "we accept", but that was just the title. There were so many conditions in the text that the title could well be: "We accept If, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if…. "

Read above, I seem to remember the committees were the idea of the TCs but on everyday issues Papadop under pressure and to axe the whole process threw in more substantail issues which we accepted. Can you kindly supply a source to prove your accusation that we said we accept but only if if if........

So I don’t think our side is feeding us with lies. We have ears to listen to something more essential than slogans of the type "we are ready", we have eyes to watch.

You would never think that would you, you are a true GC inflenced and effected by the south.

[Pyrpolizer]

You conveniently forget it has always been Talats hand that been extended since the rejection of the Annan plan to meet, but your leader said he would rather talk directly with Turkey.

And you are obviously blind to see that the only reason he was saying so, after the Anan Plan, was to lead the negotiations to a fast deadlock and declare the whole world there cannot be any other solution than the Anan plan or partition.

The following is the official response to Mollers proposals;

This is a newspaper advertisement of your sides views not your official reply to Moller.

You are more naive than I thought they already have all this information, it was provided during the Annan plan negotiations, but hey of course thats something you would rather forget.

Obviously I have to deal with an idiot here.Yes your side gave some vague information about the settlers. How can we be sure they are correct? Has anyone done any independent census? Did you side ever accepted a census under international supervision? In fact Talat promised he would carry one last year, did he eventually let any independent supervision? How do I know that the results did not go once again to Turkey and came back modified as per previous census you carried there? And how do I know the separation between settlers and real TCs. According to the pseudo all settlers who got so called citizenship are TCs!!!!!

You really need to find better and more convencing excuses as its been 32 years all this info has been exchnaged either directly of via the UN many times.

Oh really? So you claim we know which TC got what, which settler got what, which and whose properties were sold, which were used for public projects, etc etc. Are you dreaming by any chance, or you think you are talking to Martians here?

This is your theory, I dont have to agree.

You don’t have to agree but you can always think. OK maybe I am wrong, you cannot think either.

Yoou should like I consider that it could also be our side.

Our side blocking the formation of the committees they themselves srtruggled to achieve? Or your side that always had objections? Think VP, think! OK maybe I am wrong, you cannot think either.

Read above, I seem to remember the committees were the idea of the TCs but on everyday issues Papadop under pressure and to axe the whole process threw in more substantail issues which we accepted.

This deserves a lot of laughing faces. Here:

You would never think that would you, you are a true GC inflenced and effected by the south.

The truth is I would never get convinced by populist arguments like "we are ready" , "we can discuss anything" while at the same time Ankara calls the speaker to hold on as they don’t agree. I am not a true TC who is influenced by paranoia or sentimental promises.

[bg_turk]

Great exposure for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus a snip at 5million US.

It was probably the most expensive 2 second meaningless and fruitless publicity of Talat as "president" of the "TRNC!"

Before nearly a billion viewers wordwide. It is great publicity for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

[Pyrpolizer]

Before nearly a billion viewers wordwide. It is great publicity for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

The guy who tried to kill the pope did it to become famous as well. A kind of a TV star. You remember him? I don’t….

[Viewpoint]

Before nearly a billion viewers wordwide. It is great publicity for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

The guy who tried to kill the pope did it to become famous as well. A kind of a TV star. You remember him? I don’t….

They say there is no bad publicity.....1 billion viewers, step by step

[Pyrpolizer]

Hey VP I think you better pay a poll company to learn how many of that billion remember anything about it

[Viewpoint]

Would defeat the object, the after covergae press is sufficent for the TRNC. Why are you still harping on about this issue if it didnt have any impact. Me thinks you are a little annoyed that this happened and could be a sign of what the future holds, more exposure for the TRNC.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am just discussing the issue where did you see me annoyed even just one bit?
I don't care, in fact I even suggested you repeat it. Who knows if you do it lets say one hundred times you may earn something.

By all means do it again!