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[Kifeas]

Strahd, are you saying that the Greek national football and basketball teams have won their last titles, because they are Greeks?

No Kifeas I am saying that I am proud that the Greek national teams has won those titles. Wouldn't the English be proud if the England team won Euro(by the way when was the last time they did?), aren't the italians proud of their team that won the world cup, aren't the americans proud of beeing the only nation that have walked on the moon? Is this nationalism? Are you saying that we should not be proud of Greeks winning and fighting to be the best. Should we just ignore them? Or should we learn from their example to put our standards higher?

My question was very direct! You tried to explain why you are proud to be Greek, and you made a list of such reasons, many of which wouldn't or shouldn't make someone proud.

It is one thing to say I am glad or happy that the Greek basketball team has won the title, and another thing to say I am proud to be Greek because of this. The reason the Greek basketball team has won the title, is not because they are Greeks, but because they were well trained, well organized, well talented, etc, but not because they were Greeks as such. If this was the case, then why other national teams, from other countries, do win similar titles?

Reversing the argument, and assuming the opposite of proud is ashamed, would you in the same way say that you are ashamed to be a Greek, because the Greek national football team did not manage to qualify to the last world cup finals? I bet you won't! Therefore, why are you proud to be a Greek when there is an achievement by the same team, and not ashamed to be a Greek when there is a failure?

To boast how proud you are to be Greek, and justify this based on the fact that a Greek national team has won a sports title while competing with other teams from other nationalities, may as well indicate a sub-conscious identity based inferiority complex. A complex that may as well make you seek and strive for constant re-assurances through national team victories when competing with other national teams, in order for this ailing sub-conscious complex to be kept suppressed. However, this amounts to a vicious circle, because when failures and defeats come around -in the same way that victorious do, this sub-conscious complex is “revitalized.” This is why you see people extremely unhappy, depressed and miserable when there are such "defeats," and extremely proud, arrogant and over-exited -to the extent of going mad, when there are such "victories." Because deep down they psychologically suffer from an identity based inferiority complex!

You have every right to be proud of your cultural identity, but be so for the right reasons! Be proud for the fact that the classic Greek language, culture and thought had inspired and contributed to the western and now world civilization in such a disproportionate amount that perhaps no other culture has done so. Be proud, but more importantly, and more rightly so, feel lucky for having been born in this culture, and thus you have the potential ability to understand it more easily that other people, mainly because of the language that you speak. Not because you are any better than the rest of the people from other ethnicities, just only because you are Greek!

[Strahd]

Wow you guys it was a joke. YOu really need to get out more, get some fresh air, because u see nationalism everywhere.

For once i will agree with andri-cy and also add the following examples.

1. Should be taken as a joke
2. taken also between a serious and a joke.
3. For all those clever so called "Greek Cypriots" please check you passport and your identity card and your birth Certificate and advise us where do you read in all these three documents "Greek Cypriot" even as a reference
4. Learn by example. Our Cyprus president is addressed in all the international forums as the President of the Republic of Cyprus! "Not the President of the Greek Cypriot republic of Cyprus"


Dear Compatriots we are all CYPRIOTS !

I do not and most of all I have no right to disagree with you in any way. You have the right to be whatever you want to be. But for me I am a Greek who was born and raised in Cyprus by Greeks who originate from this island. Cyprus is now an independent republic and I am a citizen of this republic with all that means legally and of course morally.

[Ascot]

Wow you guys it was a joke. YOu really need to get out more, get some fresh air, because u see nationalism everywhere.

For once i will agree with andri-cy and also add the following examples.

1. Should be taken as a joke
2. taken also between a serious and a joke.
3. For all those clever so called "Greek Cypriots" please check you passport and your identity card and your birth Certificate and advise us where do you read in all these three documents "Greek Cypriot" even as a reference
4. Learn by example. Our Cyprus president is addressed in all the international forums as the President of the Republic of Cyprus! "Not the President of the Greek Cypriot republic of Cyprus"


Dear Compatriots we are all CYPRIOTS !

I agree 100% with Mick Le Ham! He has produced very good examples!

[Strahd]

My question was very direct! You tried to explain why you are proud to be Greek, and you made a list of such reasons, many of which wouldn't or shouldn't make someone proud.

It is one thing to say I am glad or happy that the Greek basketball team has won the title, and another thing to say I am proud to be Greek because of this. The reason the Greek basketball team has won the title, is not because they are Greeks, but because they were well trained, well organized, well talented, etc, but not because they were Greeks as such. If this was the case, then why other national teams, from other countries, do win similar titles?

I totally agree with you on this you are correct, I was using wrongly proud for happy here

Reversing the argument, and assuming the opposite of proud is ashamed, would you in the same way say that you are ashamed to be a Greek, because the Greek national football team did not manage to qualify to the last world cup finals? I bet you won't! Therefore, why are you proud to be a Greek when there is an achievement by the same team, and not ashamed to be a Greek when there is a failure?

Actually was angry for that but not ashamed really...

To boast how proud you are to be Greek, and justify this based on the fact that a Greek national team has won a sports title while competing with other teams from other nationalities, may as well indicate a sub-conscious identity based inferiority complex. A complex that may as well make you seek and strive for constant re-assurances through national team victories when competing with other national teams, in order for this ailing sub-conscious complex to be kept suppressed. However, this amounts to a vicious circle, because when failures and defeats come around -in the same way that victorious do, this sub-conscious complex is “revitalized.” This is why you see people extremely unhappy, depressed and miserable when there are such "defeats," and extremely proud, arrogant and over-exited -to the extent of going mad, when there are such "victories." Because deep down they psychologically suffer from an identity based inferiority complex!

You are taking it a bit too far... things are not that complicated. If you were born in Greece would think the same way?

You have every right to be proud of your cultural identity, but be so for the right reasons! Be proud for the fact that the classic Greek language, culture and thought had inspired and contributed to the western and now world civilization in such a disproportionate amount that perhaps no other culture has done so. Be proud, but more importantly, and more rightly so, feel lucky for having been born in this culture, and thus you have the potential ability to understand it more easily that other people, mainly because of the language that you speak. Not because you are any better than the rest of the people from other ethnicities, just only because you are Greek!

No one said any different, you assumed this from a couple of bull that i found on the net... they do not really reflect my opinion.

[Kifeas]

To boast how proud you are to be Greek, and justify this based on the fact that a Greek national team has won a sports title while competing with other teams from other nationalities, may as well indicate a sub-conscious identity based inferiority complex. A complex that may as well make you seek and strive for constant re-assurances through national team victories when competing with other national teams, in order for this ailing sub-conscious complex to be kept suppressed. However, this amounts to a vicious circle, because when failures and defeats come around -in the same way that victorious do, this sub-conscious complex is “revitalized.” This is why you see people extremely unhappy, depressed and miserable when there are such "defeats," and extremely proud, arrogant and over-exited -to the extent of going mad, when there are such "victories." Because deep down they psychologically suffer from an identity based inferiority complex!

You are taking it a bit too far... things are not that complicated. If you were born in Greece would think the same way?

Why the fact that I was born in Cyprus and not in Greece would or should make a difference in all the above?

[Simon]

Kifeas I think you are absolutely pathetic. I used to think you was an intelligent guy, but the way you have reacted to the above post is nothing but stupidity. It was light-hearted. Don't you understand this?

I AM CYPRIOT AND I AM GREEK. I DON'T GIVE A SH*T WHAT ANYBODY ELSE SAYS. I am PROUD to be both.

[Kikapu]

To boast how proud you are to be Greek, and justify this based on the fact that a Greek national team has won a sports title while competing with other teams from other nationalities, may as well indicate a sub-conscious identity based inferiority complex. A complex that may as well make you seek and strive for constant re-assurances through national team victories when competing with other national teams, in order for this ailing sub-conscious complex to be kept suppressed. However, this amounts to a vicious circle, because when failures and defeats come around -in the same way that victorious do, this sub-conscious complex is “revitalized.” This is why you see people extremely unhappy, depressed and miserable when there are such "defeats," and extremely proud, arrogant and over-exited -to the extent of going mad, when there are such "victories." Because deep down they psychologically suffer from an identity based inferiority complex!

Kifeas,

The post which the above quote was taken from was very well written. You seem to have the ability to deduce from someones actions or writings, as to what lies beneath the surface, psychologically speaking. However, rather than using Strahd for your demonstration, I believe Sotos would have been much better example. Let me explain what I'm talking about, and then you can give your opinion.

You may or may not know, but couple of weeks ago, I took the liberty in casting some members from the forum to re-create the "Wizard of Oz". I assigned Sotos to play 3 different characters from the film. 1."scarecrow" who needs a brain, 2. "tin man" who needs a heart, and 3. "cowardly lion" who needs courage. I believe, that Sotos believes, that he is a "proud Greek". However, rather than playing these roles out in a fun and creative way, he took offence to it. He even had the Moderator remove parts of the original post, that contained his roles. Now, I would say, this was an desperate act of an person who has a great deal of inferiority complex. He somehow thought, if he played along as these characters, he would see himself as one, so he reacted by distancing himself from them.

If all this wasn't bad enough to hide his inferiority complex, he then wrote on one of his posts in this thread, that he did not want to participate in the "Wizard of Oz", because he was already casted to play the role of "Superman". Now he is trying to elevate himself from having an inferior complex into something "great and mighty". Well, you would think that would have been the end of it, but no, because here comes the ultimate giveaway to ones inferiority complex. On the same post that he wrote he will be playing "Superman", he said, that he would be willing to play the role of "GOD" in the "Wizard of Oz". I don't know what you would make of all this, but to me, if some one want to play "GOD", their inferiority complex has to be way way down.

By using the same standards you used to evaluate Strahd, what would be your findings for Sotos. I'll be interested in your answer. By the way, you and few others were casted to play the "Storm", which you and others never showed up.!!

[andri_cy]

Kikapu, Thanks for casting me in your wizard of Oz. I am now famousand people have to pay me big bucks for short appearances in their films. The wand thanks you also lol.

[unique_earthling]

This is awesome kifeas and kikapu, but unfortunately i am unable to talk about identiry crisis and inferiority complexis, as i am not a Cypriot. And it is well acknowledged by foreigners that this countries people cannot take any criticism by anyone and that they must appear perfect at all times whether it be in looks, big house or large car. To keep face rather than be transparent and real. And hide anything not very nice and in keeping with what they want to portray to the outside world. Impression management creates a false self, the appearance to seem rather than to be... Anyway you are the first persons on a forum with some knowledge of the inner workings of the psychi, but i think you will be told your stupid and dont know what your on about, because they are not ready for it.. But i am listening..

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, Thanks for casting me in your wizard of Oz. I am now famousand people have to pay me big bucks for short appearances in their films. The wand thanks you also lol.

You're welcomed. Perhaps you can buy me a meal, from your loyalties, next time I'm in the States.

The members who DID not have inferiority complex that I casted for the "Wizard of Oz" were:

Doglover...playing "Toto"..a female playing a male dog and she loved it. It shows a strong character in a person.

Reportfromcyprus...playing the "wicked witch's broom"... again, she did a wonderful job by accepting this unflattering role...strong character.

Andri_cy and husband...playing the "Good Fairy and Magic Wand"...well you couldn't go wrong with these roles. If you did, then you really would have had an inferiority complex.!!

Natty..."Dorothy"...also could not have gone wrong....fully participated...full of strong character.

Svetlana...was disappointed that she did not get the role to play "wicked witch" ...she has very strong character.

GorillaGal...."Flying Monkey"...she was not even casted, but she volunteered to play the role...strong character.

AnastasiaC...casted to play the "wicked witch"...well, the jury is still out on her, since she is still on vacation, doesn't even know, what the hell we're talking about, when she does come back.

Note. All the others that did not participate, even though they were casted into a role, also showed a strong character, by either ignoring it, or at least not reacting against it, which would have shown their weakness of their character.