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[G.Man]

Yes there is SOME stolen greek land, and that land MAY be returned to the GC's who rightly own it, if they can ever stop bickering and come up with some sort of solution..

Hi GMan,

I don't usually harp on about the issue of refugee land for the reasons you stated, and I also take the point that there is also refugee land in the south but isn't your statement above a little misleading? Wouldn't you say that there is a lot of GC land in the north? Afterall the majority of privately owned land in the north prior to 1974 was GC owned, shouldn't people be made aware of that? Otherwise I agree we should stop ranting about it and move towards a solution.

When I say stolen, I mean that has been built on illegally..

Yes it is good to draw it to the attention of brits who may (stupidly) invest their life savings in these properties, to be later, left with nothing..

[andri_cy]

it appears Piratis’s only solution is all tcs, brits, and settlers to leave and go back to pre 74.


How representative this view is amongst the Gc population as a whole?

What percentage of Gcs agree with Piratis.?

I would like the armed forces that occupy the north to leave and go home at some point. I would like to maybe have the RoC army disbanded also which would probably happen if there was no threat. Why would anyone want the Tcs to go away, it's their country too. About the settlers I am not sure, as a lot of them have had kids that would be considered citizens in the long run and you cant just kick them out. It becomes too complicated, so I would say we would have to take steps to accommodate them staying. If Turkey were to join the EU and the cyprob were solved they would be allowed to be here anyway. So I am a Gc and that's what I think. Is that clear enough?

[G.Man]

Dont worry about pratis, he is only fit to moderate the classifeds anyway..

Congratulations. You are excellent in personal attacks. Too bad you are clueless about everything else.

Yes there is SOME stolen greek land, and that land MAY be returned to the GC's who rightly own it, if they can ever stop bickering and come up with some sort of solution..

Some?

Here are the facts from the Lands and Surveys Department Records before 1974:

Greek Cypriots owned approximately 78% of the privately owned land in the territory now under Turkish occupation, while persons belonging to the Turkish Cypriot community owned approximately 21%. In terms of the total area under Turkish military control, approximately 60% belonged to Greek Cypriots, 16% to Turkish Cypriots, less than 0,5% to other private individuals and 23% to the state.

And this is according to one of the biggest of the criminal estate agents in the north (Sea Terra)

Is it safe to buy in Northern Cyprus?

It is safe to buy in North Cyprus provided the right title deed applies to the property. There are three types of freehold title in North Cyprus.

Pre 1974 Turkish Title. This is OK, but very hard to find now. TRNC Esdeger (Exchange) Title. This means that the Turkish Cypriot owner has been given this land in exchange for the equivalent piece of land they owned in the South. This type of land is increasingly hard to find, especially close to the sea. TRNC TMDTitle . This is where no exchange has taken place, and therefore there may be some compensation payable as part of some future political settlement to theCyprus issue. Most developments are being built on TMD land. As a company we prefer to buy in most cases Exchange land, despite it being more expensive.

So stop farting when you don't know the facts. The fact is that what is sold to foreigners in the occupied areas now is 90%+ stolen Greek Cypriot property.

and there has been development by GC's on TC land in the RoC as well, but piratis usually ignores this

Again you are farting while being clueless. There has only been one case of such thing happening in the free areas, and those that were involved in it were arrested and convicted. You can search the forum to find the news about this one case.

Prat-is You are the master of personal attacks, that is why you are only fit to moderate the classifieds...

As usualy your command of english regarding SOME, shows in your response..

See my response above...

Yes I know 90% of property sold is stolen land, but it is a small propertion of the 78% owned by GC's... hence some... If you can show me that more than about 10% of the GC owned land has been built on, I will stand corrected...

If you and your buddies ever manage to stop harbouring so much hate, you may get your land back one day, but as long as the status quo remains, it doesnt matter who lives on the land, as you can do Zip with it anyway...

I truely hope it is resolved... but for those cypriots I know that own land there, currently being lived in by turkish army, who need it back as they havent been able to get any compensation..

[andri_cy]

I really can't believe all this!!

I came across this site while "googling" with: "north cyprus" forum

My wife and I have been thinking about retiring in Cyprus for a peaceful time. If the fora I have seen in the last few days are anything to go by, we don't want to. We have no desire to spend our retirement in a country where back-stabbing and name-calling are the way of life.

I too found this site through googling "Cyprus forum" and have enjoyed reading the posts on many subjects even though some forum members are very nationalistic ( on both sides ) --

If you really want a peaceful life in retirement

why haven't you considered buying a home in the ROC -- where it's almost impossible to buy a house on disputed land ( there have been a couple of documented instances of illegal land/house sales but these have been dealt with in the courts) it makes sense when you contemplate buying a home abroad to make sure that what you have paid for is actually yours and will remain yours and is not disputed in any way

I bought a apartment 11 years ago and have now put a holding deposit on a house --- I will retire early next year -- move to Cyprus -- and as you stated have a wonderful and peaceful time .

I could in no way contemplate buying in the occupied part of Cyprus -- this for me would be too risky and immoral as a settlement has not been made and I would effectively be buying land still owned by someone else with the possible risk of having to vacate the property and lose everything .

Building has gone crazy in the north over the last couple of years and I'm sure this is a plot to ensure as much land as possible is occupied before a settlement is reached -- what good it will do I don't know ( I think the idea is that it will be more difficult to give back and remain with the occupier ) it seems to be the policy at the moment.

As I've mentioned in another post -- there are instances of Turkish Cypriot land being given to Greek Cypriots to build on in the last 3 years -- Piratis rubbished this but I can assure you it's true -- the criteria is that you must be a refugee or a descendant of one to qualify -- the property can't be sold as there are no title deeds --- I'm not talking about refugee housing built 30 years ago I mean big villas costing 70k to 100k to build only -- at least the ROC isn't giving out deeds or making land available for the tourists unlike the TRNC --- it's still going to give problems if a settlement is reached though .

I feel for the Greek Cypriots regarding the invasion and loss of property and land as much as I do for the Turkish Cypriots who suffered a similar displacement but on a much smaller scale---- I won't go into the politics but I will say that In my opinion neither side was completely innocent -- and of course neither where the UK , America , Greece and Turkey.

I have a lot of friends in Cyprus -- some closer to me than my own family -- I feel ( and hope ) that I will integrate into the Cypriot community when I retire there in 2007 ( I do tend to stay away from politics which helps) and not become one of those pompous old farts complaining about everything isn't as good as the UK --- why folk like that move here I'll never understand.

This could be a really good forum ( and Cyprus an excellent island ) if people stopped waving the flags of Greece and Turkey and instead waved the flag of Cypriots be they Turkish or Greek in origin.

Bill

Bill, I agree with you on most everything that you wrote. Some of the facts that you have put forth are correct. I have a neighbor in Cyprus. Her house is on Turkish Cypriot land. She doesn't own the land or the house in the sense, that she cannot sell it or do anything with it. If she decided to move away tomorrow it is very possible another refugee would end up getting it. Those plots are given as "borrowed" land to refugees and it is made perfectly clear that the TC can come and claim it at any time and it would be theirs.

[rolo]

The Piratis plan still reads like

pour the blood of every tc, brit ,and settler even after a sollution.

[Piratis]

Prat-is You are the master of personal attacks, that is why you are only fit to moderate the classifieds...

Can you show me one occasion that I attacked you first? I am just replying to your clueless farts, but probably I shouldn't bother.

The Piratis plan still reads like

pour the blood of every tc, brit ,and settler even after a sollution.

The solution is that our land is given back to us. Those that currently force illegalities and commit crimes against us will hopefully stop without the need for blood to be shed.

Piratis and Kifeas appear to want things to revert to exactly where they were prior to the 74 coup,conveniently ignoring the fact it was the GC's who changed the setup after the 1960 constitution.Between 1960 and 1974 they made no efforts to give TC's what they were entitled to,they wanted them to continue as second class citizens.Do they now really think that Turkey or the TC's will allow that situation to arise again,surely they are not that stupid.Piratis keeps on about illegalities but ignores the fact that as things stand at the moment everything going on in the TRNC whether he likes it or not is legal to them.Some day there will be a settlement but if they think Turkey will allow 180000 GC to march back to the north to get their property back then common sense tells me it wont happen,how many times are people going to make posts such as this before Piratas and Kifeas reaslise that there will have to be compromise on both sides,and no I don't have any axe to grind.

If you ask the Nazis they also had some very nice excuses to give for their invasions. In fact the invasion of Czechoslovakia was based on a similar concept as the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey: To supposedly protect the German minority there.
Now tell me, what did the Germans keep from what they illegally occupied from the other nations?
Of course you might say that the Nazis lost the war and they didn't voluntarily give up what they illegally took. Well, if thats the only way then the Turks will have to lose the war as well. What is for sure is that we will NEVER sign away our homeland.

[rolo]

Some keep harping on about Czechoslovakia



What did become of Czechoslovakia?

[rolo]

Now look at Iraq


two communities hell bent on inflicting max suffering on the other - the civil war which you said would never happen is now costing over two hundred lives weekly - hundreds are now fleeing to Syria.


There is a sollution in Iraq but no one dare utter it.

[Kifeas]

Piratis and Kifeas appear to want things to revert to exactly where they were prior to the 74 coup,conveniently ignoring the fact it was the GC's who changed the setup after the 1960 constitution.Between 1960 and 1974 they made no efforts to give TC's what they were entitled to,they wanted them to continue as second class citizens.Do they now really think that Turkey or the TC's will allow that situation to arise again,surely they are not that stupid.Piratis keeps on about illegalities but ignores the fact that as things stand at the moment everything going on in the TRNC whether he likes it or not is legal to them.

Another clueless parachutist that thinks s/he can give lessons on the history of this country, without having read a single publication on Cyprus from a credible source in his /her entire life.

[rolo]

He is writing from the most credible source available - the personal experience of being there and being able to reach his own ballanced conclusions.