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[Kikapu]

kikapu

so in the event of a settlement recognised by GCS TCS and The Guarantor Powers will there not be any x gc land, if so will those on it still be criminals?

If compensation is accepted by the original Greek owner, I don't think he would care what happens to the people on his land now. If he doesn't accept compensation, and the owner would have a "right to return" back to his land, and the people on it now do not leave, then at that point, they may well be charged with trespassing and illegal occupation of his property. It would all depend, what kind of agreements are made, during the "settlement" talks, if and when they ever take place.

[rolo]

Kikapu

thankx for an honest answer.


right, i am not being belligerent, but in light of your answer do you foresee a settlement whereby each individual then has the right to reject compensation?


I cant see how that one would work - if evryone then opted not to acceot, then we are still in the same place.


Or maybe only some would be granted the option.


Hmm you no (I mean know), the more you think about it, the trickier it becomes.

[Piratis]

Dont worry about pratis, he is only fit to moderate the classifeds anyway..

Congratulations. You are excellent in personal attacks. Too bad you are clueless about everything else.

Yes there is SOME stolen greek land, and that land MAY be returned to the GC's who rightly own it, if they can ever stop bickering and come up with some sort of solution..

Some?

Here are the facts from the Lands and Surveys Department Records before 1974:

Greek Cypriots owned approximately 78% of the privately owned land in the territory now under Turkish occupation, while persons belonging to the Turkish Cypriot community owned approximately 21%. In terms of the total area under Turkish military control, approximately 60% belonged to Greek Cypriots, 16% to Turkish Cypriots, less than 0,5% to other private individuals and 23% to the state.

And this is according to one of the biggest of the criminal estate agents in the north (Sea Terra)

Is it safe to buy in Northern Cyprus?

It is safe to buy in North Cyprus provided the right title deed applies to the property. There are three types of freehold title in North Cyprus.

Pre 1974 Turkish Title. This is OK, but very hard to find now. TRNC Esdeger (Exchange) Title. This means that the Turkish Cypriot owner has been given this land in exchange for the equivalent piece of land they owned in the South. This type of land is increasingly hard to find, especially close to the sea. TRNC TMDTitle . This is where no exchange has taken place, and therefore there may be some compensation payable as part of some future political settlement to theCyprus issue. Most developments are being built on TMD land. As a company we prefer to buy in most cases Exchange land, despite it being more expensive.

So stop farting when you don't know the facts. The fact is that what is sold to foreigners in the occupied areas now is 90%+ stolen Greek Cypriot property.

and there has been development by GC's on TC land in the RoC as well, but piratis usually ignores this

Again you are farting while being clueless. There has only been one case of such thing happening in the free areas, and those that were involved in it were arrested and convicted. You can search the forum to find the news about this one case.

[Piratis]

so in the event of a settlement recognised by GCS TCS and The Guarantor Powers will there not be any x gc land, if so will those on it still be criminals?

When a solution will come those illegally on GC land will move out. This is what solution means: justice. They committed a crime, they will pay the penalty, the rightful owner will take his property back = justice = solution.

No solution will ever be agreed without this element because such thing will not be a real solution and will therefore not be accepted by us.

In the best case scenario for those criminals, a peaceful solution is found, they just lose their investment and they get the fuck out of our country. If TCs want to keep their promises and compensate those foreigners, great for them, but as you know such thing would not happen. The second best for them is that they are really old and die soon, so they will not have to face the consequences of their crime.

Thats the best case scenario for them. A scenario were their illegality is legalized does not exist.

[MR-from-NG]

When a solution will come those illegally on GC land will move out. This is what solution means: justice. They committed a crime, they will pay the penalty, the rightful owner will take his property back = justice = solution

Piratis,

You are not answering the question. This is the question, read carefully.
IMAGINE A SOLUTION WHERE ALL X GREEK LAND THAT HAS BEEN SOLD/BUILT ON STAYS AS IT IS. NOBODY IS ASKED TO VACATE. THIS SOLUTION HAS THE APPROVAL OF THE ROC, TRNC,GREECE, UK, EU, UN, USA, TURKEY ETC. Would you still brand these innocent people criminals?

A YES or NO will do.

No lectures on legality and human rights please, just answer the question.

[Piratis]

Imagine if murder is legalized. Would a murder be a crime and those that commit it criminals?

We can imagine many things. But why would we ever want or accept the legalization of crimes against us? Unless we go insane such thing will not happen.

[MR-from-NG]

You are one sick motherf***er. I hope you don't get an inch of land back, this only applies to you. The rest of the GC's are welcome to theirs.

[andri_cy]

Kikapu

thankx for an honest answer.


right, i am not being belligerent, but in light of your answer do you foresee a settlement whereby each individual then has the right to reject compensation?


I cant see how that one would work - if evryone then opted not to acceot, then we are still in the same place.


Or maybe only some would be granted the option.


Hmm you no (I mean know), the more you think about it, the trickier it becomes.

I think that given the chance to actually choose and a decision is not forced down their throats, you would be surprised by how many would take compensation. I think people just want to have a say in what happens with them and theirs is all.

[Piratis]

You are one sick motherf***er. I hope you don't get an inch of land back, this only applies to you. The rest of the GC's are welcome to theirs.

You know I am right but it doesn't suit you and you don't even have the IQ to reply with anything more that swears. You are pitiful.

andri_cy, if the solution to Cyprus problem is one that will allow our refugees to return under conditions of democracy, security and peace you would be amazed how many of them would choose to return.

On the other hand, a disguised partition "solution" like Annan plan would mean that our refugees would basically have to move to another country were they would be second category citizens. Under such "solution" of course most would not choose to return, but such "solution" will never be accepted by us.

[MR-from-NG]

Piratis,

You are not answering the question. This is the question, read carefully.
IMAGINE A SOLUTION WHERE ALL X GREEK LAND THAT HAS BEEN SOLD/BUILT ON STAYS AS IT IS. NOBODY IS ASKED TO VACATE. THIS SOLUTION HAS THE APPROVAL OF THE ROC, TRNC,GREECE, UK, EU, UN, USA, TURKEY ETC. Would you still brand these innocent people criminals?

A YES or NO will do.

No lectures on legality and human rights please, just answer the question.

Answer this with just one word. YES or NO.