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[Viewpoint]

I can treat you as my equal all day long but you wont let me. You want me to treat you like you are something extra special.

No not extra special but extra careful and mistrustful of GCs that's all, what are you prepared to alleviate my concerns?

[andri_cy]

What are you prepared to do to alleviate Pyrpolizer's concerns?

[Viewpoint]

What are you prepared to do to alleviate Pyrpolizer's concerns?

What may they be???

[Kifeas]

We are not the ones with international recognition used for maintaining an unfair economical stranglehold over the south, why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me the same advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? or is that you would prefer to keep the north economically hostage to force more of your demands. wake up you say you are Europeans but you do not act in the spirit of equal opportunity and democracy, you still perpetuate arrogance and the narrow vision of the 1960s. Nothing has changed.

We are not the ones occupying and usurping your properties with the help of the Turkish Army, and unfairly deprive 250,000 GCs from their incomes and livelihoods for 32 years. Why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me to enjoy my property rights, advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? Or is that you would prefer to keep the GC refugees economically hostage to force more of your demands.

[stuballstu]

Kifeas wrote

We are not the ones occupying and usurping your properties with the help of the Turkish Army, and unfairly deprive 250,000 GCs from their incomes and livelihoods for 32 years. Why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me to enjoy my property rights, advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? Or is that you would prefer to keep the GC refugees economically hostage to force more of your demands.

The number of refugees rises every year Kifeas but i didnt know it rose by the numbers which you are claiming.

Why are you an economic hostage, you can sell goods abroad, you can fly direct to many destination from your airports, you get cruise ships docking in Limassol, you get many hundreds of thousands of tourists a year which part of that makes you an "economic hostage"?

If you were TC they have been held "hostage" for years which was indefinately extended in 2004 when the ROC said no and furthermore objected to the EU promise on direct trade.

Who is holding who "hostage"?

[Viewpoint]

We are not the ones with international recognition used for maintaining an unfair economical stranglehold over the south, why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me the same advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? or is that you would prefer to keep the north economically hostage to force more of your demands. wake up you say you are Europeans but you do not act in the spirit of equal opportunity and democracy, you still perpetuate arrogance and the narrow vision of the 1960s. Nothing has changed.

We are not the ones occupying and usurping your properties with the help of the Turkish Army, and unfairly deprive 250,000 GCs from their incomes and livelihoods for 32 years. Why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me to enjoy my property rights, advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? Or is that you would prefer to keep the GC refugees economically hostage to force more of your demands.

You Kifeas and your community will enjoy all the rights you wish when you find and agree to a plan to share a united Cyprus with us or alternatively agree division. While you are thinking about what it is you really want and coming to terms with the fact that you will have to share and not have the sole right of international recognition and all the advantages it brings we will look after your properties under the isoalted circumstancies we find ourselves in.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas wrote

We are not the ones occupying and usurping your properties with the help of the Turkish Army, and unfairly deprive 250,000 GCs from their incomes and livelihoods for 32 years. Why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me to enjoy my property rights, advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? Or is that you would prefer to keep the GC refugees economically hostage to force more of your demands.

The number of refugees rises every year Kifeas but i didnt know it rose by the numbers which you are claiming.

Why are you an economic hostage, you can sell goods abroad, you can fly direct to many destination from your airports, you get cruise ships docking in Limassol, you get many hundreds of thousands of tourists a year which part of that makes you an "economic hostage"?

If you were TC they have been held "hostage" for years which was indefinately extended in 2004 when the ROC said no and furthermore objected to the EU promise on direct trade.

Who is holding who "hostage"?

The 180,000 ethnically cleansed Greek Cypriots from the north of Cyprus in 1974, with a population growth rate of 1% per year, became 250,000 after 32 years; in the same way that the 110,000 TCs in 1974, with the same population growth rate of 1% per year, would have become 150,000 after 32 years, had most of them did not emigrate from Cyprus after 1974, as a result of the policies of the occupation regime that forced most of them to emigrate from Cyprus and only about 100,000 of them to now remain in the north, only to be replaced by a triple number of mainland Turkish settlers from Anatolia, which now outnumber the TCs in the occupied north.

The 250,000 GCs are embargoed and isolated from their properties in the north, and therefore they cannot produce anything coming out of their lands, they cannot build hotels and restaurants to cater for Tourism in their lands, but only to work in the lands of the rest of the GCs in the south. Also, they cannot build factories in their properties, and they cannot build new houses for their newly married children in their own land, unless they buy such land from other Cypriots in the south. Also, they cannot mortgage their usurped lands in the north to study their children.
The 250,000 ethnically cleansed from the north GCs are economic hostages and suffer from the embargoes and isolation that the Turkish occupation has imposed on them from their properties, and they are economic hostages for the illegitimate policies of the Turkish imperialist state, in the same way that the 100,000 TCs currently in the north suffer from embargoes and isolation.

When the 250,000 GCs will cease from being held hostages economically and isolated and embargoed from enjoying the currently lost incomes from their occupied and usurped properties in the north, in the same way the 100,000 TCs currently in the north will cease to be economically isolated.

[Kifeas]

We are not the ones with international recognition used for maintaining an unfair economical stranglehold over the south, why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me the same advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? or is that you would prefer to keep the north economically hostage to force more of your demands. wake up you say you are Europeans but you do not act in the spirit of equal opportunity and democracy, you still perpetuate arrogance and the narrow vision of the 1960s. Nothing has changed.

We are not the ones occupying and usurping your properties with the help of the Turkish Army, and unfairly deprive 250,000 GCs from their incomes and livelihoods for 32 years. Why is it so difficult for you to treat me as your equal and allow me to enjoy my property rights, advantages you see fit for yourselves, are you superior to me? Or is that you would prefer to keep the GC refugees economically hostage to force more of your demands.

You Kifeas and your community will enjoy all the rights you wish when you find and agree to a plan to share a united Cyprus with us or alternatively agree division. While you are thinking about what it is you really want and coming to terms with the fact that you will have to share and not have the sole right of international recognition and all the advantages it brings we will look after your properties under the isoalted circumstancies we find ourselves in.

You Viewpoint and your community will enjoy all the rights you wish when you find and agree to a plan to share a united Cyprus with us or alternatively agree division on the basis of 82%:18% territories. While you are thinking about what it is you really want and coming to terms with the fact that you will have to share and not have the sole right of our usurped properties in the occupied north and all the advantages it brings we will look after and carry out the running of the RoC alone, under the difficult and the isolated circumstances we find ourselves in from the embargoes imposed on us and our properties by your "motherland" Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

But you have forgotten these 250.000 GC refugees have the opoortunity to exist without having embargos or isolation the whole of their lives they can still fly direct or trade freely abroad and live amongst other GCs. So the TC popualtion is in a far worst position the refugees especially as they are totally isolated by GC actions and bad intentions to extract maximalistic demands. yet you expect us to make all the moves towards reunification. Lets see you side take actions that will help move the process along for a change.

[Kifeas]

But you have forgotten these 250.000 GC refugees have the opoortunity to exist without having embargos or isolation the whole of their lives they can still fly direct or trade freely abroad and live amongst other GCs. So the TC popualtion is in a far worst position the refugees especially as they are totally isolated by GC actions and bad intentions to extract maximalistic demands. yet you expect us to make all the moves towards reunification. Lets see you side take actions that will help move the process along for a change.

Come in the south and take a look at the refugee settlements around Cyprus, compare them with the conditions the TCs live in the north, and then speak! There are plenty of such refugee settlements around Nicosia, in fact very near the Orphanides supermarket that many TCs do their shopping. I did so and I discovered who the real economic hostages are, and I can assure you these are not the TCs in the occupied north but the GC refugees. Do the same and then come to speak!