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[Agios Amvrosios]

Both parties have offices in the U.S. and in the U.K., and thus these two countries are seen as relatively neutral

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[quote]VI. Willing donors if the Annan Plan had passed

We can only be cynical of people FLashing "donated" funds in front of us- Besides how can the Annan Plan be linked to "Unity" . What part of the plan talked about unity? The Annan Plan focused on maintaining perpetual ethnic division by maintaining an ethnically cleansed area in the occupied areas. How can people genuinely even say the word 'unity' in this context.

The school is a fantastic idea- but I go nuts when I hear theAnnan plan being used in the same breath as unity.

[Mills Chapman]

Agios Amvrosios,

Many thanks for your post. Regarding this sentence that you quoted,

"Both parties have offices in the U.S. and in the U.K., and thus these two countries are seen as relatively neutral ,"

I meant that the U.S. and U.K. are seen as more neutral by Cypriots towards the Cyprus situation than they are by Arabs towards the Israeli/Palestinian situation and by North Koreans toward the South Korea/North Korea situation. That does not mean that Cypriots see them as neutral, just relatively more neutral than the local participants in other conflicts do.

I do realize that my comment about funding was a stretch. However, I did try to back it up with quotes and references. As much as any citizen would hate to think of their conflict as a proving ground for resolving other conflicts, I do think this school would have no problem with funding if it can be explained that a successful outcome in Cyprus could lead to similar schools in conflicts that are even more heated (Jerusalem, the Korean DMZ, the India/Pakistan line, etc.)

Regarding your comments about the Annan Plan, in 2003 I applied for a Fulbright scholarship to do research in Cyprus, and in my essay I explained why the Annan Plan was flawed, albeit for a different reason than your reason. I said that it did not give any specifics for integrating the schools and for how subjects such as history would be taught. Needless to say, I didn't get the scholarship since it was sponsored by the U.S. Dept. of State who was also sponsoring the Annan Plan.

I didn't understand your comment that linked the Annan Plan and unity. Did I say that somewhere?

[Mills Chapman]

I thought I would share this: http://www.reportfromcyprus.com/Peace%2 ... cation.htm

[debatez]

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Please stay on topic.

Thanks

[humanist]

I hope that the Cypriot people see beyond the political and personal agenda of the very few in power and those benefit by the current division as is and that the average Cypriot on either side if the green line is the one who suffers the ills of the war and the division and therefore come together to discuss a solution that hopefully will not take 10-15 years to get the country back together and its people living in peace and harmony, learning from eachother, speaking each others language etc.

The sad thing for me is that the British probaly own more of the so called TRNC than the regime itself. So once again whose needs are being met? Cypriots or British subjects wanting to move out of Britain?

[humanist]

Further to my earlier coment I wish to add that the utter iresponsibility of power "mangers?" such as the British Prime- Ministers wife choosing to support the ilegal exploitation of Cypriot refugee property to by British subjects who claim to have been victimised further asserts British agenda and power over Cyprus.

if there is anything in this fiasco that really makes me personally angry was the injustice of the British Court and down right cheek of the court to demand that the poor refugee who lost their property to the Turks as the invading force, has to pay legal costs. Law and Justice where is it.

Blair and his wife what are they supporting? I would love to be able and just walk into their home in London and see how they will feel. Never mind Karma is a good concept the sad thing people think they will receive their Karma upon dying without realising they are living it in this life time. And the Blairs are living their because what else other than the need for recognition, power and social and international acceptance would consciously allow a prime-minsters wife to suport exploitation of other people's property. Lack of social and ethical conscioussness ifs their karma.

[Mills Chapman]

Uh, Humanist and debatez, could you explain the relevance of your posts to this thread? (Humanist, really just your 2nd post.)

Yes, your points are valid and need to be discussed, but there are other threads better suited for this, and if not, feel free to start your own. I just feel defensive because this thread went far off-topic at one point, and it was tough to bring it back to its original purpose. Thank you.

[Sotos]

Mills I noticed the thread was posted in 2004! What happened with this project? Proofed to be too difficult?

[debatez]

The sad thing for me is that the British probaly own more of the so called TRNC than the regime itself. So once again whose needs are being met? Cypriots or British subjects wanting to move out of Britain?

the north is no more than a psuedo state. . all who are there are there illegally and have no right to be there. . there is no law and order and it is full of corruptness . . The world needs to address this psuedo state and move toward restoring order and reversing all illegal colonisation. . the problem is one more than people seem to realise

[Mills Chapman]

Hi Sotos. I've been enjoying your posts elsewhere, especially in the jokes section. Thanks for your post here.

Yes, the thread did begin in 2004, but no, it hasn't proven to be too difficult, and I haven't given up. At the same time, it will be very difficult, and what I am doing is ignoring it for awhile - could be years - while tying up other loose ends in my life and making sure that my mother and sister will be okay in the U.S. if I moved to Cyprus. I'm also trying to see if I need a PhD or not (either in educational psychology with a cooperative learning researcher at U-Minnesota or in conflict resolution at a university outside of D.C.

Taking care of other important things in my life lets me see what happens with the E.U./Turkey negotiations. A diplomat with whom I spoke in August 2005 implied that the RoC government was looking to Turkey's acceptance process as the way to get the solution they want. Should the EU decide to forget about Turkey, I think the RoC government will then entertain resolution ideas that they are currently ignoring, such as mine.