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[Svetlana]

I was delighted to see the following news. It is great that the Government is acting in this way and setting an example to the North.

Pyrgos land fraudsters found guilty

SIX MEN standing trial for the illegal transfer of ownership and sale of Turkish Cypriot land in the Ayios Theodoros Tyllirias were yesterday found guilty on all 59 charges.

The Paphos criminal court found Kato Pyrgos community leader Krinos Theocharous, Nicosia land registry officer Michalis Kalathas, Kato Pygros Tyllirias community council employees Charalambos Charalambous and Georgios Savvas, entrepreneur Costas Constantinou and private individual Andreas Savva guilty for attempting sell Turkish Cypriot land in Ayios Theodoros Tyllirias to a land development company in 2000 for £972,000.

The men were found guilty of charges including among others conspiracy to commit fraudulence, issuing false documents, abuse of power, covering up a felony and corruption of a public servant.

The court ordered that the defendants be taken to Nicosia’s central prison until they are sentenced next Wednesday.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2006


Lana

[EUropean666]

TC land belongs to them. Did they build any property to this land? if yes it shall be abolished.

[andri_cy]

I believe what it says is they TRIED to sell the land but somehow they were discovered and they failed to do so. Good! THey should rot in jail.

[souroul]

at least somebody is doing it right

[MR-from-NG]

I was delighted to see the following news. It is great that the Government is acting in this way and setting an example to the North.

Sorry but t I have to disagree with you on this matter. This case cannot in any way be setting an example to the north. You have community leaders, land registrars and prominent businessman committing fraud on a large scale.

Nothing like this has happened in the north. If it did the TRNC government would have taken a similar action.

The land being built on or sold in the north is sold legitimately by the owner who is a holder of title deeds issued by the TRNC, he or she is not committing fraud.

[Piratis]

he land being built on or sold in the north is sold legitimately by the owner who is a holder of title deeds issued by the TRNC, he or she is not committing fraud.

So anybody can start printing out title deeds and selling properties that belong to others? Hey, I didn't know all you needed was a printer to do this job!

Come on people, I will give you title deeds for the White House in Washington DC, the Buckingham Palace, the house of your neighbor just anything you want. If anybody tells you that you are doing something illegal then tell them that you are a holder of title deeds issued by Piratis and therefore you are not committing a fraud.

Come on mrfromng, you have absolutely no legitimacy in what you do. What you have is 40.000 occupation troops that enforce illegality in the occupied part of Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing beyond that.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis what we have is the TRNC in comparison to your example in which you have just yourself. Even though the TRNC is unrecognzied you will have to come to terms with the fact that you will have to negotiate with the TCs who are the TRNC as to how the property issue will be solved. A formula to accomodate the land issue will have to be found so as to solve the overall Cyprus issue. This is a bit more than Piratis just issuing land deeds off his HP printer.

You cannot expect to wake up one morning wave a magic wand and expect everything to be as 1974, to much has changed and is changing, sone GCs will indeed get their land back but many will have to apply for compensation, this figure will increase the longer we play silly games and do not find that formula.

[Alexis]

Piratis what we have is the TRNC in comparison to your example in which you have just yourself. Even though the TRNC is unrecognzied you will have to come to terms with the fact that you will have to negotiate with the TCs who are the TRNC as to how the property issue will be solved. A formula to accomodate the land issue will have to be found so as to solve the overall Cyprus issue. This is a bit more than Piratis just issuing land deeds off his HP printer.

You cannot expect to wake up one morning wave a magic wand and expect everything to be as 1974, to much has changed and is changing, sone GCs will indeed get their land back but many will have to apply for compensation, this figure will increase the longer we play silly games and do not find that formula.

Hi vp,
I agree that the issue of property will have to be negotiated, and as you say realistically not everyone will be able to get their property back. It is encouraging to me that at least TCs such as yourself realise that there is an issue regarding property that has to be addressed. On the other hand, what I and many GCs take exception to is the current policy of the TRNC regarding GC land in the north. Obviously as time goes on less and less land will be handed back to its original owners, this is also true in the south, the problems arise when land is sold to third parties (non-cypriots) which exacerbates the problem (e.g. Orams etc...). There is no need for this and it certainly does not send the right signals to the GC community. The TRNC has effectively acted as though she is an independent country with no intention of unifying with the south by issuing the title deeds she has. Now we can argue specific cases here till the cows come home, but the law in the south is absolutely clear that TC land should be maintained in readiness for a full settlement. Whilst you (TCs) may have voted for the Annan Plan and arguably over that last few years your side has been the more proactive with regards unification, with regards the property issue your government's stance is clearly still anti-unification.

[Kikapu]

Come on people, I will give you title deeds for the White House in Washington DC.

I think that's how George W. Bush got into the White House in 2002. The deed was issued by his brother, in Florida, through fraudulent ballot accounting.!!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis what we have is the TRNC in comparison to your example in which you have just yourself. Even though the TRNC is unrecognzied you will have to come to terms with the fact that you will have to negotiate with the TCs who are the TRNC as to how the property issue will be solved. A formula to accomodate the land issue will have to be found so as to solve the overall Cyprus issue. This is a bit more than Piratis just issuing land deeds off his HP printer.

You cannot expect to wake up one morning wave a magic wand and expect everything to be as 1974, to much has changed and is changing, sone GCs will indeed get their land back but many will have to apply for compensation, this figure will increase the longer we play silly games and do not find that formula.

Hi vp,
I agree that the issue of property will have to be negotiated, and as you say realistically not everyone will be able to get their property back. It is encouraging to me that at least TCs such as yourself realise that there is an issue regarding property that has to be addressed. On the other hand, what I and many GCs take exception to is the current policy of the TRNC regarding GC land in the north. Obviously as time goes on less and less land will be handed back to its original owners, this is also true in the south, the problems arise when land is sold to third parties (non-cypriots) which exacerbates the problem (e.g. Orams etc...). There is no need for this and it certainly does not send the right signals to the GC community. The TRNC has effectively acted as though she is an independent country with no intention of unifying with the south by issuing the title deeds she has. Now we can argue specific cases here till the cows come home, but the law in the south is absolutely clear that TC land should be maintained in readiness for a full settlement. Whilst you (TCs) may have voted for the Annan Plan and arguably over that last few years your side has been the more proactive with regards unification, with regards the property issue your government's stance is clearly still anti-unification.

Alexis I can assure you that many TCs do care about GC concerns about land the only problem is that some not all TCs have given up their rights to their land in the south for land in the north which they have over 32 years utilized for one reason or another. Life goes, peoples personal demands control their actions, as I am sure you can appreciate the TCs mentality where he has land in south but cannot use it, he converts this to land in the north, and then sees no solution in sight just gloom and doom. His needs change and he has to generate funds what will he do? wait for a solution? run to the south and claim his land knowing all the difficulties involved? no the first thing he will do sell or develop the land he exchanged in the south.

The economic climate does not go in your favor either as the isolation of the North does to a certain degree effect our ability to make money in other areas such as tourism and trade etc which would avert TCs wanting to sell land. We Cypriots both sides of the divide are pretty much the same in this respect where the last thing we want to do is sell land but if your personal circumstances dictate this then you will sell to whoever wants to buy.

The only way to stop this is to find a comprehensive solution otherwise no believe that a solution will be found and will continue on in bliss the the current situation, which the British also feel will continue for a very long time to come.
L