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ENOSIS - Slave Mentality?

Postby Kozza » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:40 am

I have always wandered why GCs have always been so obsessed with Enosis. The Cypriot population has always been subjugated by foreign empires. In the last millennium the island has been ruled by the Crusader states, Genoese, Venetians, Ottomans, and finally the British. By all accounts life hasn't been easy for your average citizen of Cyprus. Why then after so many years of being shackled do many GCs desire a union with Greece?

Independence should have brought a sense of pride in being Cypriot. I'm sure many readers are aware that there were many Turkish villages in Karpas, or Panhandle of the Island, that spoke Greek as a first language. With a sense of pride in the new state things should have worked out. Instead, many GCs decided that they didn't want to forge their own identity but instead to surrender their identity to this abstract concept of Greekness or Hellenism. By doing that, TC identity on the Island became polarised. School classrooms in Greek-speaking Turkish villages in the Karpas had big signs in the 1950s declaring "Turkce Kunusalim" translated as "Let's Speak Turkish".

I feel that the real tragedy in Cyprus is that people missed a golden opportunity to create a new nation state based on Cypriot identity. Let's face it, the TCs aren't as religious as the GCs. Many TCs were bilingual. If there wasn't the sense of alienation or threat then I believe that the TCs would have gradually been assimilated into the general Cypriot population, especially if that culture was a dynamic and confident one.

I know this is a simplistic viewpoint but there is some truth to it. I know the picture is complicated by the use of TCs by the British in their divide and rule policy screwed things up, but again, I feel that TCs were forced to play their hand because of insecurity brought about by the overt pan hellenism that swept the Island in the 1950s.

Ultimately, I feel that years of foreign rule has eradicated a sense of Cypriot nationality and this is why there is a real lack of confidence in our identity. It is why we feel uncomfortable flying the Cypriot flag without unfurling the Greek and Turkish ones too? This crisis in identity, I feel, has led to many of our divisions. As a London Cypriot, who wasn't even born in Cyprus, I still feel offended when I see GCs so openly display Greek flags. I guess GCs just don't get it... And vica versa I may add!

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Postby twinkle » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:02 am

We had a discussion about this a few months ago under National Pride. Cypriots forget they are an independent country and think they are part of Greece. Only through language and religion are they connected. Cypriots want to be Greek and would rather wave the blue and white than the white and yellow. Yet, when a Greek lives here they are classed as foreigners and have to have an alien card.

Be proud to be CYPRIOT!!!!
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Postby EUropean666 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:25 am

The idea of ENOSIS has been adandoned since ages. It is only on the political agenda of Turkey!
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Re: ENOSIS - Slave Mentality?

Postby Strahd » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:20 am

Kozza wrote:I have always wandered why GCs have always been so obsessed with Enosis. The Cypriot population has always been subjugated by foreign empires. In the last millennium the island has been ruled by the Crusader states, Genoese, Venetians, Ottomans, and finally the British. By all accounts life hasn't been easy for your average citizen of Cyprus. Why then after so many years of being shackled do many GCs desire a union with Greece?

Independence should have brought a sense of pride in being Cypriot. I'm sure many readers are aware that there were many Turkish villages in Karpas, or Panhandle of the Island, that spoke Greek as a first language. With a sense of pride in the new state things should have worked out. Instead, many GCs decided that they didn't want to forge their own identity but instead to surrender their identity to this abstract concept of Greekness or Hellenism. By doing that, TC identity on the Island became polarised. School classrooms in Greek-speaking Turkish villages in the Karpas had big signs in the 1950s declaring "Turkce Kunusalim" translated as "Let's Speak Turkish".

I feel that the real tragedy in Cyprus is that people missed a golden opportunity to create a new nation state based on Cypriot identity. Let's face it, the TCs aren't as religious as the GCs. Many TCs were bilingual. If there wasn't the sense of alienation or threat then I believe that the TCs would have gradually been assimilated into the general Cypriot population, especially if that culture was a dynamic and confident one.

I know this is a simplistic viewpoint but there is some truth to it. I know the picture is complicated by the use of TCs by the British in their divide and rule policy screwed things up, but again, I feel that TCs were forced to play their hand because of insecurity brought about by the overt pan hellenism that swept the Island in the 1950s.

Ultimately, I feel that years of foreign rule has eradicated a sense of Cypriot nationality and this is why there is a real lack of confidence in our identity. It is why we feel uncomfortable flying the Cypriot flag without unfurling the Greek and Turkish ones too? This crisis in identity, I feel, has led to many of our divisions. As a London Cypriot, who wasn't even born in Cyprus, I still feel offended when I see GCs so openly display Greek flags. I guess GCs just don't get it... And vica versa I may add!

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Greek Cypriots fought for Enosis since 1955 because we are Greek and wanted the same as the Cretans, Rhodians, Corfuians etc. AS SIMPLE AS THAT. Don't you wonder why is always foreigners or charlies(Cypriots that left Cyprus during 1955 struggle because they got chicken shit of the Brittish empire) that do not understand why Greek Cypriots wanted Enosis?

If enosis took place in the past nowadays the prime minister of Greece could have been a Cypriot! The slave mentality is for those Cypriots that accepted brittish rule and now their children do not even speak a word of Greek...
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:28 am

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If enosis took place in the past nowadays the prime minister of Greece could have been a Cypriot! The slave mentality is for those Cypriots that accepted brittish rule and now their children do not even speak a word of Greek...


While you were becoming prime minister what do you think would have happened to the TCs? 6ft under and long forgotten?
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Re: ENOSIS - Slave Mentality?

Postby twinkle » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:43 am

Strahd wrote:Greek Cypriots fought for Enosis since 1955 because we are Greek and wanted the same as the Cretans, Rhodians, Corfuians etc. AS SIMPLE AS THAT. Don't you wonder why is always foreigners or charlies(Cypriots that left Cyprus during 1955 struggle because they got chicken shit of the Brittish empire) that do not understand why Greek Cypriots wanted Enosis?



But didn't the Cypriots move to Britain and their "empire"?
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Postby Strahd » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:53 am

Viewpoint wrote:Strahd
If enosis took place in the past nowadays the prime minister of Greece could have been a Cypriot! The slave mentality is for those Cypriots that accepted brittish rule and now their children do not even speak a word of Greek...


While you were becoming prime minister what do you think would have happened to the TCs? 6ft under and long forgotten?


In a parliament of 300 there are two Turkish PMs from the minority of Thrace. This is equal to almost 1% of the greek parliament where the percentage of the Muslims who live in Thrace is A LOT LESS than 1% of the population of Greece.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:59 am

Ask the Turks in Thrace if they are happy with that or are they now Greek Muslims named Hasanopolous?
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Postby Strahd » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:15 am

Viewpoint wrote:Ask the Turks in Thrace if they are happy with that or are they now Greek Muslims named Hasanopolous?


The Muslims of Thrace are not Turks, they are Greeks. They have all the rights same to all Greeks! One of them is now running for regional Thrace "governor" and is supported by PASOK the second largest party in Greece.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:42 am

Strahd wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Ask the Turks in Thrace if they are happy with that or are they now Greek Muslims named Hasanopolous?


The Muslims of Thrace are not Turks, they are Greeks. They have all the rights same to all Greeks! One of them is now running for regional Thrace "governor" and is supported by PASOK the second largest party in Greece.


Shouldnt you allow them to say what they are, its called minority rights. These people have been forced into change, dubbed Greek and told to keep quite by allowing token representation. The difference between them and us is that we agreed to be partners in Cyprus with you, the Greeks and Turks that live in Thrace did not. Our partnership failed so we now want something that will resolve our differences once and for all a solution be it reunification with safety valves or agreed partition.
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