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[Kozza]

Kifeas,

I consider myself to be a protagonist for unification. If you think I'm an apologist for Turkey or the US, then you are a poor judge of character. I hope other GCs don't feel the same way as you or there really will be no chance of change.

Maybe the next generation of Cypriots will be able to get over the bitterness that is consuming TCs and GCs like you.

...Bitterness and anger that I appreciate, but will not lead to a lasting solution.

[Kozza]

Piratis,

You are right! I fear for the future of the TC community if they become EU citizens and leave the country.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

I consider myself to be a protagonist for unification. If you think I'm an apologist for Turkey or the US, then you are a poor judge of character. I hope other GCs don't feel the same way as you or there really will be no chance of change.

Maybe the next generation of Cypriots will be able to get over the bitterness that is consuming TCs and GCs like you.

...Bitterness and anger that I appreciate, but will not lead to a lasting solution.

Kozza, just answer my questions in the previous post, and I will tell you what kind of re-unification protagonist you are?

[Sotos]

You are right! I fear for the future of the TC community if they become EU citizens and leave the country.

Why they should leave the country if they become EU citizens?

[anti-nationalist]

from 1975 i started to fight for the unification of cyprus. and i was the one of the militant who were writing 'freedom to cyprus- turkish army out' in 1975 on nicosia streets. it was very very dangerous act in that time. it means we did not care our lives. i was always a active militant who was fighting for unification and figting against nationalism until last year.But now i understand that unification of cyprus is impossible in near future. at least in next 20 years. Because over %90 of greek cypriots ( feel themselves as greeks who are living in cyprus)are pure nationalists, and they belive that cyprus is a helen island with turkish, maronite and latin minorities.With this idea it is impossible to unite the island. Last five year i contact thousands of greek cypriots. At the begining i shocked when i heard their ideas on cyprus. Nobody was criticizing EOKA (extrimist nationalist organization) who fought for ENOSIS and killed more cypriots than colony soldiers. They are saying that eoka terorists are brave peoples and their aims for enosis was right. Even now nobody is critisizing enosis. They are saying it was a dream.But they never say what happened and they waked up. They are saying we understand that it is impossible. İ belive that if it is possible, they will say ok for enosis. for the %90 of greek cypriots unification of cyprus means that: to get the old lands and restore helenistic character of north. whit this type of ideology it is impossible to create unified cyprus. i am afraid,with this nationalist dream they only will create destruction and thousands deaths. Since last year you start a war against turkish cypriots. every day you are attacking turkish cypriots.your officers is began to treat as very bad. shortly the nationalist feelings among greek cypriots is increasing very high. and now i feel you are going very dangerous stage.

this generation of greek cypriots is hopeless case. they can not change their minds. and moderate turkish cypriots
who are trying to change the minds of greek cypriots are doing useless bussines. let them think and dream what ever they want. you can not change anything. dont you see that the climate in this forum getting worse and worse
everyday.dont masturbate here leave them to live with their sweet dreams. one day if they change their minds we can met them again.

please forgive me for my poor english.

[Piratis]

anti-nationalist, the only "dream" that keeps Cyprus divided is the dream that Turkish Cypriots had since before the 50s. The dream of partition.

Enosis is just part of history and nothing more than that for long time already. If for you the GCs are "nationalists" because they fought for the liberation of our island from the colonialists 50 years ago then let it be so. What we condemn are any murders not related to the cause of liberation that were committed by EOKA members. But don't expect us to condemn the cause of EOKA just to satisfy you. (and I am always talking about EOKA 55-59 here)

Beyond that you have to understand that the insistence on partition by the majority of TCs (should I also say 90%?), not only it is nationalistic, it is also illegal and criminal and there can be no excuse for it. You have the right to disagree with the opinion or the "dreams" or whatever of any Greek Cypriot. What you don't have the right is to use excuses of that kind to continue something that is illegal.

[Kozza]

Soto,

TCs would leave the country because they would have freedom of movement in the EU and with London Cypriots and other National retiring to Cyprus younger people are being priced out of the economy.

[souroul]

We had a discussion about this a few months ago under National Pride. Cypriots forget they are an independent country and think they are part of Greece. Only through language and religion are they connected. Cypriots want to be Greek and would rather wave the blue and white than the white and yellow. Yet, when a Greek lives here they are classed as foreigners and have to have an alien card.

Be proud to be CYPRIOT!!!!

i suggest you take a look at history, religion, language, tradition, customs, and cy-gr relations, among others. i am a born and raised cypriot and i'm proud of it, but i consider greece as motherland. every time i visit i dont feel like a foreigner, and everytime i see an actual greek back home, i dont consider him as a foreigner. everytime i encounter a greek i talk to him and feel like he's my brother, and from what i can tell, its the other way around too.

[boomerang]

I visited Greece once and I felt like a stranger, the next day I visited Cyprus and I felt right at home...I might have the same culture, but its like chalk and cheese...

And I don't give a rats ass what history says...frankly speaking...

Fully paid up Cypriot to the bone

[EUropean666]

Ask the Turks in Thrace if they are happy with that or are they now Greek Muslims named Hasanopolous?

The Muslims of Thrace are not Turks, they are Greeks. They have all the rights same to all Greeks! One of them is now running for regional Thrace "governor" and is supported by PASOK the second largest party in Greece.

Shouldnt you allow them to say what they are, its called minority rights. These people have been forced into change, dubbed Greek and told to keep quite by allowing token representation. The difference between them and us is that we agreed to be partners in Cyprus with you, the Greeks and Turks that live in Thrace did not. Our partnership failed so we now want something that will resolve our differences once and for all a solution be it reunification with safety valves or agreed partition.

I ve lived in this area. There are pomaks (the 50% including Gul Karahasan running for governon), turkish speaking and gypsies making the rest. Turkish government regards all muslims as turks, which is wrong. Pomaks are not turks and this must be clear. Pomaks are locals who often have links with the greek religion since they honour Orpheus as a god. They have many privilileges like they enter unis without exams and women are getting lot of EU money to build businesses.

In addition, i dont think that greex will like a union with cyprus for many reasons. Cypriots seem to me a distinctive race like say celts in britain. it is better to create their own national identity.

Greece after 1974 did a self-criticism and put in jail EOKA B's scums and terrorists and anyone who got involved in the coup and rios. Maybe it is time for cyprus to have a self-criticism. now, with the newest scandal in the army, it is time to see how governs cyprus and send them home.