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[Swashbuckler]

This thread really shows how ignorant some in the South are of the situation in the North.

Firstly, Talat is the president of the TRNC. The TRNC is a parliamentary democracy. He is "Head of State". He has no authority, save as provided by the constitution, over The Council of Ministers - led by the Prime Minister. The infighting amongst his ministers has no effect on his position therefore.

President Talat has shown himself to be staunchly pro-solution, based on UN proposals following the UN's 43 year involvement in our problem, culmnating in the internationally supported Annan Plan. Why was it internationally supported? Precisely because the UN has been studying and consulting in Cyprus, with both sides, on the Cyprus problem for 43 years.

What GCs ignore is that the TCs, by accepting the Annan Plan, were foregoing many of the things they enjoy now - primarily the security afforded them by Turkey. Security which no one else has actually been able to deliver and which pre 1974 large elements of the GC's were seriously threatening.

Everyone's waiting on the GC Ethnarch Papadoc to come to the table with that which he wants altered. Two and a half years later and they're still waiting.


Unemployment at 33%? Ha Ha. And the TCs eat babies too.

Stop swallowing your propaganda and come and visit.

[Bananiot]

Let us look at the signals we have been sending to the other side, since the referenum:

Some commends by Papadopoulos

• I have no illusions about the possibilities for changes in the Anan Plan or the objective limits of our perspectives (Papadopoulos 20/7/2004).
• We have discussed with AKEL and DIKO the changes to the Anan Plan which we will pursue and there is broad consensus on these (Papadopoulos 1/1/2005).
• We wish to continue the cooperation with you so that we can advance the process for finding a solution based on the Anan Plan (Papadopoulos 1/7/2005).
• The Plan of the General Secretary cannot just disappear from the table. It constitutes the basis for further negotiations and with those changes that we can agree on it could become acceptable to the Cypriot people (Papadopoulos 24/4/2005).

Some commends by Christofias


• AKEL will continue to struggle for a new referendum in which the Greek Cypriot community will say a loud “Yes” (Christofias 24/4/2004).
• The solution will be based on the Anan Plan to which we will agree certain changes (Christofias 28/4/2004).
• AKEL’s “OXI” at the referendum cannot be compared with that of the nationalists, with those that are against a solution and the Anan Plan in its entirety (Christofias 11/5/2004).

And some by some others

• Anyone that refers to the Anan Plan supports the partition of Cyprus (Foreign Minister Lilikas, speaking to the BBC, the other day).
• The position of the President is that the Anan Plan is history (Government Spokesman, Christodoulos Pasiardes, only yesterday)

I ask all unbiased users of the forum. Are we sending the right signals to our Turkish Cypriot compatriots?

[Strahd]

Firstly, Talat is the president of the TRNC. The TRNC is a parliamentary democracy. He is "Head of State". He has no authority, save as provided by the constitution, over The Council of Ministers - led by the Prime Minister. The infighting amongst his ministers has no effect on his position therefore.

Who is the minister of state, Popey or Mickey Mouse!!!!

YOU ARE NOTHING! YOU ARE AN ILLEGAL REGIME ESTABLISHED THROUGH MILITARY FORCE ON THE LAND OF THE REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE MUSLIM CYPRIOT MINORITY. EVERYONE RECOGNISES THAT EXCEPT TURKEY WHO IS THE ONE WHO ESTABLISHED THIS REGIME. YOU ARE A ROGUE STATE AND IF YOU DID NOT KISS THE AMERICAN ASS YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE LISTED IN BUSH'S AXES OF EVIL. NOW THAT THE US IS LOBBYING FOR A KURDISH STATE YOU WILL BE FORCED TO CHECK THAT HOLE IN YOUR BOTTOMS.

[Kifeas]

Let us look at the signals we have been sending to the other side, since the referenum:

Some commends by Papadopoulos

• I have no illusions about the possibilities for changes in the Anan Plan or the objective limits of our perspectives (Papadopoulos 20/7/2004).
• We have discussed with AKEL and DIKO the changes to the Anan Plan which we will pursue and there is broad consensus on these (Papadopoulos 1/1/2005).
• We wish to continue the cooperation with you so that we can advance the process for finding a solution based on the Anan Plan (Papadopoulos 1/7/2005).
• The Plan of the General Secretary cannot just disappear from the table. It constitutes the basis for further negotiations and with those changes that we can agree on it could become acceptable to the Cypriot people (Papadopoulos 24/4/2005).

Some commends by Christofias


• AKEL will continue to struggle for a new referendum in which the Greek Cypriot community will say a loud “Yes” (Christofias 24/4/2004).
• The solution will be based on the Anan Plan to which we will agree certain changes (Christofias 28/4/2004).
• AKEL’s “OXI” at the referendum cannot be compared with that of the nationalists, with those that are against a solution and the Anan Plan in its entirety (Christofias 11/5/2004).

And some by some others

• Anyone that refers to the Anan Plan supports the partition of Cyprus (Foreign Minister Lilikas, speaking to the BBC, the other day).
• The position of the President is that the Anan Plan is history (Government Spokesman, Christodoulos Pasiardes, only yesterday)

I ask all unbiased users of the forum. Are we sending the right signals to our Turkish Cypriot compatriots?

Rubbish!
Out of context, here and there, arbitrary quotations, done with the sole aim to deceive and disorient people!
Rubbish!

Keep going on with your treacherous mission of misinformation, deception and manipulation!

[Swashbuckler]

Strahd (or is that retard?).

Try looking at the title (or subject or heading) of this thread. I was endeavouring to answer that question insofar as the TRNC constitution is affected by the government instability in the north.

Typically, you and others have subverted the thread to air out your tired old platitudes about the CyProb.

Kifeas,

Nope, not out of context. The whole international community has been and still is waiting for Ethnarch Papadoc to alert them as to what changes he wants to the internationally accepted A Plan. Two and a half years and that old big-nose is still keeping everyone hanging.

And bear in mind, the A Plan wasn't just pulled out of the air a few days before the referenda. It is the culmination of decades years of UN involvement in Cyprus. Involvement which has meant close consultation with both sides. That's why the plan was so detailed. Any new impetus for a solution will necessarily draw on the A Plan very strongly. Which is why honker-boy Papadoc doesnt want to talk.

30% unemployment and TCs eat babies too dont they

Take a diet from your PIO/Sigma propaganda and open your eyes gents.

[Pyrpolizer]

We do many things that most countries do who are you so suprised or should I say disappointed.

Only a pseudo state based on theft does this:
. Against this background the Court cannot attribute legal validity for purposes of the Convention to such provisions as Article 159 of the fundamental law on which the Turkish Government rely.
The Court confines itself to the above conclusion and does not consider it desirable, let alone necessary in the present context to elaborate a general theory concerning the lawfulness of legislative and administrative acts of the "TRNC".

Me disapointed? Let me laugh. You should feel disapointed. For what even courts in England call you.

You talk about it as if you are doing us a favor, then you should lick the feet of the Britsih who send you over a million tourists each year but the majority of GCs hate their guts. You always have the choice not to come like 60% of your population.

So the British come to us through the borders of the occupied? Let me laugh once ogain.
They sent us tourists? No we go there present our products they like them and we get some clients.Others like Spain get the much more. We hate the British?? Hey you never listen to what the British themselves living in Cyprus say about us?
As for the percentage who visited their own homes like tourists in the occupied it was 60% 3 years ago. So get your figures straight. The crossing does not benefit us.It benefits you exclussively.

My answer does not conform to what you want to hear thats why its irrelevent to you.

Your answer was irrelevant in relation to your own initial thesis, which may I remind you was that we force the TCs to get injured at work accedents on grounds of discrimination.

Why does our standard of living upset you? that you have try and belittle the advancements we have made over the last 32 years. Dont forget we are doing all this under isolation which is no mean feat

It doesn’t upset me. Obviously you are upset by my pointing out that it is at least 50% lower of what it could be if you were living in a united RoC. Besides don’t forget: You pay nothing for defence. You get financial packs from Turkey that pay all the pseudo government machine. Do you have any idea what your incomes would be if the military expenditure provided by Turkey were to come out of your pockets? Do you have any idea what your income would be if you were to finance your regime out of your own pockets? As a comparison RoC it spends 1 million a day for defence and 7 million a day for the government machine. Do your calculations and you will find out what the equivalent would be for each working TC.

You can buy a plasma TV here for 1000 Cyp

Made in China, guaranteed to work for 1000 seconds

[Pyrpolizer]

The signals we are getting right now is just the opposite; that the GCs are not really interested in power sharing and a Federal solution

From whom do you get such signals??

Sorry but is seems you believe to absolutely-totally unsupported lies of Sendar Denktash and possibly others. It would be interesting if you could enlighten us on this matter.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

The whole international community has been and still is waiting for Ethnarch Papadoc to alert them as to what changes he wants to the internationally accepted A Plan. Two and a half years and that old big-nose is still keeping everyone hanging.

Nonsense sloganeering, and by now a propaganda cliché repeated by all kinds of clueless idiots! Nonsense!

And bear in mind, the A Plan wasn't just pulled out of the air a few days before the referenda. It is the culmination of decades years of UN involvement in Cyprus. Involvement which has meant close consultation with both sides. That's why the plan was so detailed. Any new impetus for a solution will necessarily draw on the A Plan very strongly. Which is why honker-boy Papadoc doesnt want to talk.

More nonsense, more slogans, and more meaningless anti-Greek Cypriot propaganda cliché talking! You need to update your self a bit! All the above are very old clichés already. There are a few more recent ones that you need to get a hold on!

[Bananiot]

Oh yes, everything that exposes Papadopoulos of what he is, is nonsense. Your idol, alias Defkalion, who was on the CIA payroll in the 60's while a government Minister, has the royal prerogative, among other things, to accuse others of being traitors. You are no different than him Kifeas. You belong to the same costellation, just like Serdar and your idol.

[Kifeas]

Oh yes, everything that exposes Papadopoulos of what he is, is nonsense. Your idol, alias Defkalion, who was on the CIA payroll in the 60's while a government Minister, has the royal prerogative, among other things, to accuse others of being traitors. You are no different than him Kifeas. You belong to the same costellation, just like Serdar and your idol.

The only person I know for sure to be on the CIA payroll is your good self!