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Pyrpolizer

So the pseudo sets minimum wages in CYP? Very strange!

Its set in New Turkish Lira but I just converted it into a currency you understand, and yes the TRNC does set a minimum wage. We do many things that most countries do who are you so suprised or should I say disappointed.

Vallahi this is the only way for you to appreciate something you take for granted. As the hundreds of all good will measures towards you that you take them for granted.

You talk about it as if you are doing us a favor, then you should lick the feet of the Britsih who send you over a million tourists each year but the majority of GCs hate their guts. You always have the choice not to come like 60% of your population.

I did not ask you to tell me what should or should not be done at the construction sites. Your insinuation was that the 3 TCs who lost their lives in accidents at their work, was due to deliberate and discriminitive negligence against them simply because they were TCs. Your answer is irrelevant

My answer does not conform to what you want to hear thats why its irrelevent to you.

I already answered you before. They have a place to live in the occupied. Either theirs or belonging to a GC. If they can travel 30 minutes and work here why should they move? They get all the benefits (which like you they take for granted) without having to move. We could make them move ANY time if we wanted to.

Feel free to try and make them live under GC administration in teh "RoC" at anytime and see how far you will get.

You said the average TC can afford all the luxuries. So if you are an average TC then you must also afford this specific luxury you mentioned. Then how much did you pay to afford it? I already said I can hardly afford it, because it costs me too much. Your turn.

I paid approx 65 Cyp per month on average for last 3 months.

Something tells me though you are not an average TC. You are much much higher status, something like that stupid Queen who looked out of the window wondering why the peasants were shouting.

I would say I am above average as well but still the majority of TCs live a good life just visit their homes and get to know them then you will see I am right.

Of course we to have low income poor people just like any country in the world, even today in Europe the are countires like Romania where the average income per month is 200/250 US dollars.

Why does our standard of living upset you? that you have try and belittle the advancements we have made over the last 32 years. Dont forget we are doing all this under isolation which is no mean feat.

PS You can buy a plasma TV here for 1000 Cyp.

[sadik]

Pyrpolizer, you need to realize that most of the things that TCs did was as a reaction to the GCs. TCs could not even imagine saying "Cyprus is Turkish" until the GCs started to scream that "Cyprus is Greek". When GCs said Cyprus should be part of Greece, TCs reacted by saying Cyprus should be part of Turkey... Or British... So much for our nationalism. Even our nationalist slogans are immitations of yours, sometimes direct translations, including the motherland rhetoric. In the events leading to 1974, GCs were the stronger ones and TCs were mostly re-act-ing.

Alright sadik, if it is so why don’t the TCs immitate us once again. We want re-unification we want a Federal state we want to keep ownership of our properties, the same way the TCs will keep ownership of theirs, the vast majority of us will never return even if we push them, same with vast majority of you. Why don’t they immitate us as you say? Why do I have to listen day in day out to VP saying he represents the average TC who wants partition???
Show me a single sign the TCs immitate us on this important uptodate matter.

The signals we are getting right now is just the opposite; that the GCs are not really interested in power sharing and a Federal solution

[andri_cy]

On the partition front Talat doent have to knwo you are doing a great job for him. Never in Denktas's time has so many TCs realized that partition is probably the best solution and this has nothing to do with Talat.

The Tcs were always for partition even from the 60s. Of course they did not like the enclaves partition, they only like the partition that includes taking away other peoples lands homes and properties i.e those of the GCs.
Denktash was clear on what type of partition he wanted. It took the TCs 30 whole years to realise the GCs will never accept. It will now take them another 30 years to realise that the disguised partition that Talat is seeking is even worse for the GCs and will never be accepted either. Good luck in waiting VP.

If the % of TCs who want partition increased, it simply proves to me that the TCs were always brainwashed to believe in dreams.

Why do you think the TCs were and are for partition since the 1960s? and its not because they dont like souvlaki, its has a lot to do with your own dreams and goals.

As for partition today well its a hardship we know, but hey living on a beautiful island, in safety, with great weather and great food. 2 Cars for every home, plazma tvs, satalite tv, air conditioning, private education, great pace of life. Im pretty certain we can just about bear the strain...

Well maybe they need to give us a chance to show them we dream different dreams nowadays.

[reportfromcyprus]

Denktash is going to push for early elections - update on reportfromcyprus.com.

[Mariner]

Talat will fall if and when Turkey, or maybe the turkish generals decide he should fall!

[Bananiot]

Sadik, you are right. Even in this forum, the moderate Turkish Cypriots like yourself are given scorn and disdain. These super patriots who pick fights with moderate Turkish Cypriots are doing their country a terrible diservice. They have proven themselves on numerous occasions and indeed they seem to have different weapons in their arsenals. In fact by resorting to warmongering (in due time of course, when the balance of power changes) they are practically calling Turkey to take pre emptive action.

Sadik, can you at least appreciate that still, dispite the difficult times, there are Greek Cypriots who still have the vision of solution and peacefull coexistence in their hearts and view their Turkish Cypriot compatriots and their community as their equal partners in a future Cyprus?

[sadik]

Sadik, you are right. Even in this forum, the moderate Turkish Cypriots like yourself are given scorn and disdain. These super patriots who pick fights with moderate Turkish Cypriots are doing their country a terrible diservice. They have proven themselves on numerous occasions and indeed they seem to have different weapons in their arsenals. In fact by resorting to warmongering (in due time of course, when the balance of power changes) they are practically calling Turkey to take pre emptive action.

Sadik, can you at least appreciate that still, dispite the difficult times, there are Greek Cypriots who still have the vision of solution and peacefull coexistence in their hearts and view their Turkish Cypriot compatriots and their community as their equal partners in a future Cyprus?

Bananiot, I have greatest appreciation for those Greek Cypriots. I see them as my true compatriots who I can work with to achieve a United Cyprus and, hopefully, some day struggle together to keep the country united.

[Kifeas]

Pyrpolizer, you need to realize that most of the things that TCs did was as a reaction to the GCs. TCs could not even imagine saying "Cyprus is Turkish" until the GCs started to scream that "Cyprus is Greek". When GCs said Cyprus should be part of Greece, TCs reacted by saying Cyprus should be part of Turkey... Or British... So much for our nationalism. Even our nationalist slogans are immitations of yours, sometimes direct translations, including the motherland rhetoric. In the events leading to 1974, GCs were the stronger ones and TCs were mostly re-act-ing.

Alright sadik, if it is so why don’t the TCs immitate us once again. We want re-unification we want a Federal state we want to keep ownership of our properties, the same way the TCs will keep ownership of theirs, the vast majority of us will never return even if we push them, same with vast majority of you. Why don’t they immitate us as you say? Why do I have to listen day in day out to VP saying he represents the average TC who wants partition???
Show me a single sign the TCs immitate us on this important uptodate matter.

The signals we are getting right now is just the opposite; that the GCs are not really interested in power sharing and a Federal solution

No Sadik, this is not the signal we are sending! As a last evidence to it is Papadopoulos acceptance to sign the common memorandum with Talat during UN envoy Ibrahim Cambari's last visit 2 months ago, in which he reiterates his commitment to negotiate a solution on the basis of a bi-communal and a bi-zonal federation, on the basis of political equality as it is defined by the UN in its resolutions, and I already made a posting in another thread on what this means. A federal solution and power sharing -according to the above parameters, is not ours or Papadopoulos problem indeed! Other issues constitute our problems, and we have discussed them a lot in this forum.

Perhaps this is the signal your political leadership and the Turkish and TC media, as well as some very small but treacherous portion of the GC media and minor politicians, allow to be transmitted to the TC society; but this doesn't mean that these are the signals the GC leadership is sending.

The TC political leadership chooses to allow and aid the transmission of the wrong signal to the TC society, simply because it wants to distract and disorient the TC society from focusing on its own illegitimate and uncompromising positions, and the fact that all its policies are dictated by Turkey which continues to place its own illegitimate “national” interests above those of the people of Cyprus.

[Kifeas]

Sadik, you are right. Even in this forum, the moderate Turkish Cypriots like yourself are given scorn and disdain. These super patriots who pick fights with moderate Turkish Cypriots are doing their country a terrible diservice. They have proven themselves on numerous occasions and indeed they seem to have different weapons in their arsenals. In fact by resorting to warmongering (in due time of course, when the balance of power changes) they are practically calling Turkey to take pre emptive action.

Sadik, can you at least appreciate that still, dispite the difficult times, there are Greek Cypriots who still have the vision of solution and peacefull coexistence in their hearts and view their Turkish Cypriot compatriots and their community as their equal partners in a future Cyprus?

Yeah, right! And of course with the above you want to praise your good self for keeping silent and allowing the continuation of the misinformation in which most Turkish Cypriots are virtually swimming due to the work of the Turkish propaganda all these years, and you even try to reinforce it sometimes because of your sick hatred towards Papadopoulos and the majority of the GCs for the rejection of your beloved Anglo-American’s inspired Annal plan.

The damage your party has made to the cause of Cyprus during the last 3 years, as a result of the misinformation and deception it cultivated among the TC society, is almost equivalent to the damage the far-right wing pro-enosis fascists have caused to us during all the years before 1974.

[Ascot]

I do not wish Talat to Fall.

Do not forget that he is moderate Cypriot politician. One could look at his past affiliations and friendships with AKEL.

The problem is that Denktash senior is still strong. He still has strong connections with the Turkish Army Generals.

So he has to go slow until times change.

So does Ertogan. They need to show the Turkish public and the Army Generals especially, that are not to easy and willing to make concessions