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[Biker]

You say this

Orams Judgment was a politically motivated one!
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...and you say this...

Why don’t you all just wait to read the actual ruling before rushing to all these comments based on claims in the media by the Oram’s side? My information says that the British court had just declared itself incompetent to enforce the ruling of the Cypriot court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the view that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is an illegal act. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.

Why don't you take your own advice?

Political decision my arse!

[Piratis]

Piratis

you have completely ommited the fact that the land was sold originally by a Cypriot to another Cypriot who then sold it to the Orams. If the Orams are in your mind "criminals" then surely the other Cypriots are also the same. Why doesn't your government do something about that after all these are Cypriot citizens who are selling the land. Which ones are the criminals in your eyes?

Criminals are both the thieves themselves (Turkey and their occupation regime) and those that accept something that is stolen.

I have repeatedly talked about the criminal illegal actions of Turkey in Cyprus. This thread is about those scumbags that "buy" property that has been stolen from us.

[Pyrpolizer]

Political decision my arse!

And your arguments are?????

[stuballstu]

Piratis

You have not mentioned the 2 Cypriots who sold the land one of which sold it to the Orams. The second Cypriot bought the land from the first one, does that make him a "Scumbag"? Or is it a case of "Britpicking" ie picking on the Brit which only fuels the anti-British feeling amongst Greek Cypriots.

[PaulUK]

Piratis wrote

Kifeas, I total agree with you. This became even more obvious since the time that Blair had his own wife to defend those criminal scumbags.

The British and USA governments continue to fully support Turkey (and Israel and a few other terrorist states) as this is what serves their interests better. Justice in the UK/USA exists only as far as it does not affect their strategic interests. Beyond that there is no justice, and they don't have a problem to excuse and support criminals like the Orams, or to have secret jails were their enemies are held without even a trial.

In the specific case of the Orams however I don't worry. The will be punished one one way or another. Then we will see if similar scumbags like them will dare to openly support their criminal actions.

Piratis

you have completely ommited the fact that the land was sold originally by a Cypriot to another Cypriot who then sold it to the Orams. If the Orams are in your mind "criminals" then surely the other Cypriots are also the same. Why doesn't your government do something about that after all these are Cypriot citizens who are selling the land. Which ones are the criminals in your eyes?

Quite simply the people who buy!
People are doing this to make money over others suffering!
Turkey has consistently over the past few decades to encourage turks to move there because the turk cyps are moving on.
Demographically its a world away from pre 1974.
This is not an if but a when that border will come down as have others do you think the turks will give the money back? never gonna happen so gold diggers beware you will lose!

[PaulUK]

Oh and as a side note Cherie and Tony Blair are probably the most corrupt politicians we have in the uk now

[Piratis]

Piratis

You have not mentioned the 2 Cypriots who sold the land one of which sold it to the Orams. The second Cypriot bought the land from the first one, does that make him a "Scumbag"? Or is it a case of "Britpicking" ie picking on the Brit which only fuels the anti-British feeling amongst Greek Cypriots.

Those TCs at least have the excuse that they have also being victims of the Cyprus problem and they are brainwashed day and night by Turkey. Many of them don't do such things because they are bad people, but because the found themselves in this situation. Of course there are some TC estate agents who are equally criminal and more.

The foreigners (not just the British) that buy GC land in the occupied areas are complete criminal scumbags. They do so for one and only reason: It is a bargain because it is stolen. They remind me of those Nazis that would make jewellery by using the golden teeth taken out of the Jews in the concentration camps. They are criminals that like to benefit from the misery of others.

[MarsdenCuckoo]

Piratis: Why don't you target the estate agents, who knowingly entice unwitting Brits into parting with their money? There is one in particular that REALLY deserves your attention. More than happy to supply further details, should you so wish.

[Alexis]

Piratis

You have not mentioned the 2 Cypriots who sold the land one of which sold it to the Orams. The second Cypriot bought the land from the first one, does that make him a "Scumbag"? Or is it a case of "Britpicking" ie picking on the Brit which only fuels the anti-British feeling amongst Greek Cypriots.

stuballstu,

I can't speak for Piratis, but selling land to another Cypriot is in my view far less destructive to the situation in Cyprus than selling land to a third party. In this case by third party I mean anyone who is not a Cypriot. I am sure you are aware of the concept of 'exchange-land' that the TRNC uses to categorise its land deeds, it is exactly this land that is under dispute, exchanging land with TCs does not exacerbate the land dispute in Cyprus as much as selling land to foreigners (including the Turkish Mainland settlers or whoever). As for the 'britpicking' I am a Brit and from what I have seen in Cyprus I don't feel that there is any particular animosity against British people more than any other nationality that buys dubious property in the TRNC. Of course your experiences may have been very different but the fact remains that many of the people that buy land in the occupied areas are British and so perhaps the focus seems to be on them more than any other nationality. The GCs I know are against all non-cypriot nationals who buy dubious land in the TRNC.