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[Alexis]

Perhaps I wasn't very clear in saying the following:

"All TC owned land in the south remains TC owned and in the event of a settlement will be returned to the refugees"

As you say it is not necessarily the case that all refugee land will be returned. This will of course depend on the settlement. The point is that the RoC's policy has always been to pursue as much as is possible the 100% right of return of refugees. As this becomes more and more impossible clearly a settlement in which many GC refugees are only compensated should also mean that a similar number of TC refugees also only receive compensation. Everything will of course depend on the provisions of the settlement, which is precisely why buying refugee land is not a good idea since you are never quite sure if the land is yours to keep.

[Viewpoint]

Trinket , you obviously are not familiar with the Land Registry of Cyprus one of the finest in Europe , and with a completely safe system of registering titles to land or other property. Where illegalities occur these are generally challenged in courts and justice prevails.

Is that the same system where TC land was sold to developers for millions, although these GC have been prosecuted this does prove that your "Land Registry of Cyprus one of the finest in Europe" is not fallible and this one example is imo just the tip of the ice berg.

[Viewpoint]

I agree with some of your points but if the land was once owned by a GC, surely it was given to TC in exchange for their land in the south, hence the title deed 'exchange'

This then implies that if this land was ever taken back from me I would be awarded the land in the South that it was exchanged for.

They can't have it both ways surely!

You are right Trinket, the TC has handed in to the TRNC deeds to property in the south (if you ask your lawyer he can research this for you)which could even be worth much more than the land your house is on. In any case any solution will have to address these issues in an adequate fashion as there are many others including TCs who are in the same boat as yourself. The likelihood of a solution is a very distant likelihood as you to can see no progress has been made since the Annan plan and until a balanced solution can be agreed it appears that the TRNC in its current form is out of the jurisdiction of the GC south so they cannot enforce anything against you.

[miltiades]

VP , Criminal activities take place in every nation on earth , but as you your self stated these criminals were prosecuted by the authorities of the ROC . Have any criminals in the part of Cyprus that is not under the control of the ROC been prosecuted by the authorities there , I doubt it ,It is a disgrace that any Cypriot owned land either by Greeks or Turkish should be illegally sold. Your rigid position concerning our islands problems and your insistence that the present solution is final lets me to refer you to what I said in another thread to a poster .

""Simarik bir cocuk gibi davraniyorsun"

[observer]

Sourou wrote:

bull shit

The ROC wont just give up the TC property because its the right and legal thing to do, unlike the north psuedo fake and fucked up so called government is all about taking advantage of whatever they stole so they sell it to the cheap bastards and the criminals that migrate over there.

He claims to be an advanced member. Seems an exceedingly primitive member to me.

[Kifeas]

I do agree, as time goes on it will become more and more complex to trace back who actually owned the land prior to 1974.

Also a point to note, when people purchase land in the South do they stop to think whether it was originally owned by a Turk???

In the south my dear, everyone trades their own properties, and not the properties belonging to other people! No GC is trading land belonging to a TC, unless he legally bought it from its TC owner, therefore, no such possibility for someone to buy land from the wrong person. Those who claimed to you that something like this is possible in the south, they have simply taken you for a ride.

[Kifeas]

I agree with some of your points but if the land was once owned by a GC, surely it was given to TC in exchange for their land in the south, hence the title deed 'exchange'

Absolutelly no exchange agreement has ever taken place between TCs and GCs! There is no such thing as exchanged land. It is all done arbitarily by Denkatsh and his cronies, and has absolutelly no legal validity!

This then implies that if this land was ever taken back from me I would be awarded the land in the South that it was exchanged for.

They can't have it both ways surely!

Not quite! You will first have to take to the courts the person that illegally "sold" you someone else’s land as his own, and assuming you win the case you will then be awarded damages to be paid by this person, and only then you will be able to claim his land in the south, assuming he indeed has land in the south or elsewhere and assuming that he has not already sold it to someone else. There is a chance you may end up losing all your money, if he has no money or property to compensate you.

[Noaxetogrind]

As a member of just a few days standing I must admit my sympathies lie mainly with the Turkish Cypriots on most points.

I am well aware that there are thousands of peace loving people on both sides looking for reconciliation and reading this particular topic I see there is hope for the future as there are forward looking comments made by both communities but I have no doubt the response from three or four of the most reguar GC contributors ,who just go on and on and on, never changing their attitudes will lead to their vitriolic thoughts being converted into a rather unpleasant response.


In fear that they should advocate that I and my family should be executed for me having any sympathies whatsoever with the Turkish Cypriots I wonder if I promise not to buy any Turkish Delight in the future then their pure hatred will only result in them wanting me dead and they will leave my wife and children alone.

[Noaxetogrind]

Now that the Orams have won, what does the future hold ?

Simply that there will be an increase in the number of EU and Israeli buyers in the north and increasing the prosperity of that part of the island..... not quite what the instigators of the original action could have imagined in their worst nightmares.

Informed opinion is such that the chance of sucessful action being taken against the Orams is infinitesimally low although being a rather cautious person if I was ever to consider buying a property in the TRNC I would want one with Pre 74 Turkish or Foreign title.

[Kifeas]

As a member of just a few days standing I must admit my sympathies lie mainly with the Turkish Cypriots on most points.

I am well aware that there are thousands of peace loving people on both sides looking for reconciliation and reading this particular topic I see there is hope for the future as there are forward looking comments made by both communities but I have no doubt the response from three or four of the most reguar GC contributors ,who just go on and on and on, never changing their attitudes will lead to their vitriolic thoughts being converted into a rather unpleasant response.


In fear that they should advocate that I and my family should be executed for me having any sympathies whatsoever with the Turkish Cypriots I wonder if I promise not to buy any Turkish Delight in the future then their pure hatred will only result in them wanting me dead and they will leave my wife and children alone.

And of course the 200,000 GCs that have been ethnically cleansed from their country and have had all their homes and properties been illegally usurped by a foreign invador that had also distributed them as spoils of war to foreigners and settlers from Turkey, and who (GCs) for 32 years now have to live in property-less conditions and in refugee housings in the south, have no merit of sympathy. Get lost man, you are just a propaganda kit!