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Now that the Orams have won, what does the future hold ?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Alexis » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:06 pm

item 1...... "others" = everyone else apart from TCs and GCs? "No TC was harmed"!!!! (Do me a favour - "even TCs in this forum will verify you it's all lies" - do you read what you write or are "TCs" and "GCs" synonymous depending on who's posting?)

item 3... think you're losing the plot - no-one suggested that "TCs were driven out of their homes in the occupied areas"... they had no option but to flee TO the 'occupied areas' for their own safety...... unless, of course, that's my mistake and you're referring to Paphos, etc. as being in 'the occupied areas'???


Hi all, I don't really want to be drawn into this argument as it is off-topic, but the point is that all of this is of little or no relevance to the situation in Cyprus today and certainly has no relevance to the Orams case. In any case the Orams case is a single case which may of course set precedents for similar cases in the future but has little or no connection with the events of 1974. As for the version of events described above, I may indeed be biased but they certainly do not entirely agree with the accounts I have read. The point being that the events of 1974 were not black and white and to be honest neither side's version of events makes any sense.
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Postby Nicole22 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:23 pm

So my prediction is that Candudas will try his chance with another brand new case and forget Apostoledis.
ismet


Ismet............. I think you're right............we've been betrayed by our 'Leaders' since 1963. And while our leaders gain prestige and power, all wisdom and intelligence is lost and we the poor suckers are left to lament days of old and as time passes, lose all hope of ever gaining back our homes.
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Postby elko » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:42 pm

As far as I know Pyro means Fire in Greek. so our friend pyro must be feeling verrrry hot under the collar and when he has nothing sensible to say he throws insults. My friend, do you agree with me or not and if not why?

Thank you Nicole 22 for agreeing with me. If only the politicians on both sides would tell the truth to their people!!!!!

Marsden, keep up the good work. Give me a call if you are ever in Famagusta, I am sure you have my number.
ismet
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Postby MarsdenCuckoo » Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:09 pm

elko wrote:As far as I know Pyro means Fire in Greek. so our friend pyro must be feeling verrrry hot under the collar and when he has nothing sensible to say he throws insults. My friend, do you agree with me or not and if not why?

Thank you Nicole 22 for agreeing with me. If only the politicians on both sides would tell the truth to their people!!!!!

Marsden, keep up the good work. Give me a call if you are ever in Famagusta, I am sure you have my number.
ismet


Hi Ismet,

So.... Pyro as in 'pyromaniac'? Interesting!

Nice to have some educated postings (as yours always are) rather than irate, inane ramblings. Keep up the good work yourself.

As for Famagusta, I don't get there often - but hopefully one of these days will be able to put the face to the name.

Christine

PS: Still envious about the Chinese quilts!
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:41 pm

elko wrote: The European Court of Justice ECJ will have the final say about the
interpratation of Protocol 10. My view is that they will uphold the decision
of UK judge but I do admit that they may decide otherwise.



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Postby observer » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:13 am

Sotos wrote:Why waste money on British courts that will never be fair for Cyprus? Just hire somebody to put a bullet in Orams head. End of story and justice served. No criminal like the Orams should get away with crime.


It was behavior like this between 1963 and 1974 that brought the Turkish Peacekeeping Force to Cyprus. This sort of rhetoric certainly won't make them go.
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Postby zan » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:15 am

OFFICIAL REUTERS NEWS REPORT: ORAMS Case

20:11 06Sep2006 UPDATE 1-British couple wins Cyprus property battle

(Recasts, adds reaction)
LONDON, Sept 6 (Reuters) - A British couple won a landmark court fight on Wednesday to keep a holiday villa they built in the north of Cyprus in a case significant to thousands of foreigners who bought property on the divided island.
Land claims are among the most contentious issues in Cyprus, a former British colony, which is split down ethnic lines since the north came under Turkish control in 1974.
David Orams and his wife Linda had been challenged by the dispossessed Greek Cypriot owner of the land who had fled to the south after the Turkish invasion.
Last year, a Greek Cypriot court ordered the Orams to demolish the villa in Lapithos, return the land to its previous owner Meletios Apostolides and pay him damages.
In November, the High Court in London ruled that the Greek Cypriot order was enforceable, but on Wednesday a High Court judge backed an appeal by the Orams against that judgment.
The Orams' lawyer, Cherie Booth, had told the High Court that the matter was of fundamental importance in respect of property dealings in Cyprus.
Thousands of Britons who bought homes in northern Cyprus are facing similar claims from the original landowners.
In comments to the Cyprus News Agency, Apostolides said the decision was "wrong" and that he would appeal.
"I hope we get a better result with the appeal," Apostolides, who was ordered by the court to pay the Orams' legal costs of 863,000 pounds, said. Although an appeal would not reverse the original court decision, at best, it could reduce the cost Mr Apostolides will have to pay. An appeal against this decision would also likely to cause even more controversy in a case the EU would prefer to keep closed. Many Greek Cypriot mediators accused Mr Apostolides of further promoting the awareness of a seperate Turkish Cypriot Republic state in the North of Cyprus, cementing the idea of a permanent division as a suitable Cyprus solution.
Orams, 61, and his 59-year-old wife said they had bought the land in compliance with the local land registry system.
The couple, who spent 160,000 pounds on their Cyprus property, said they had risked their main home in England in order to fight the enforcement of the Cypriot ruling.
"The judgment allows others in the same position to invest in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus without the threat of enforcement of judgments rendered in the Republic of Cyprus in the EU," a statement on behalf of the couple said.
An estimated 250,000 Greek and Turkish Cypriots, a quarter of Cyprus's population, were forced to flee their properties in conflicts dating from 1963.
((Reporting by Tim Castle, Editing by Astrid Zweynert; [email protected]; +44 207 542 7947))
Keywords: BRITAIN CYPRUS PROPERTY
Wednesday, 06 September 2006 20:11:47RTRS [nL06793901] {C}ENDS
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:36 am

Zan, can you tell me in your own words, what have the Orams (and the TCs in general) won -in essence and in a practical sense, from the above British high court ruling? Do you know? If you do, can you please enlighten me as well? If you do not, then why are you celebrating?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:49 am

Kifeas wrote:Zan, can you tell me in your own words, what have the Orams (and the TCs in general) won -in essence and in a practical sense, from the above British high court ruling? Do you know? If you do, can you please enlighten me as well? If you do not, then why are you celebrating?


Kifeas what you dont realize is that no one is celebrating, we all relieved that this problem has been put on hold until we work out a comprehensive solution which is the only was to clear this mess up if we want to reunite. In the meantime these individual cases do not serve any purpose but to encourage false hopes.
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:55 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Kifeas wrote:Zan, can you tell me in your own words, what have the Orams (and the TCs in general) won -in essence and in a practical sense, from the above British high court ruling? Do you know? If you do, can you please enlighten me as well? If you do not, then why are you celebrating?


Kifeas what you dont realize is that no one is celebrating, we all relieved that this problem has been put on hold until we work out a comprehensive solution which is the only was to clear this mess up if we want to reunite. In the meantime these individual cases do not serve any purpose but to encourage false hopes.


Viewpoint, I asked Zan to give me an answer to a very specific question, becasue I have reasons to beilive that Zan does celebrate. If you meant to give me an asnwer in the place of Zan, at least do so on the basis of what I have actually asked him.
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