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[Strahd]

VP WROTE:

"As for me needing a doctor, well Im not the one living in cuckoo land in the UK believing there is a Cypriot race and that everything will be rosey if only we loved each other and reunited. With all due respects maybe you should see someone. ""

Believing there is a Cypriot race HE SAYS ! As if I'm a deranged individual who fantasises that there is a Cypriot RACE .I'm glad YOU ARE THE MINORITY , A SAD , DEJECTED , CONCEITED AND PAMPERED POUR SOUL WHO LIVES IN THE NATION OF CYPRUS AND DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF CYPRIOTS. Shame on you .. WHAT RACE ARE YOU THEN ?? IF NOT A CYPRIOT WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU YOU DOING IN CYPRUS YOU PLONKER.

Miltiades, I am afraid there is no Cypriot race, this is proven by history...

The Cypriot race is a fantasy of some so called Cypriot communists who deny the reality because they were such big chickens to stand against the aggression of the right wing and Junta. Therefore by denying the fact that they are Greek they feel free of their terror to face the traitors of the Hellenism by just saying "we are Cypriot we have nothing to do with them." and kept going "τοίχο τοίχο"

The Communists in Greece fought the Junta, on the other hand the "communists" in Cyprus betrayed the nation... Do you remember Makario's words when he addressed the nation after the coup?... How did he called us... was he hallucinating as well?

[Viewpoint]

VP,
I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on the point that there is a Cypriot race (possibly nation might be a better description even though we are divided). I think there are Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots but we both have more in common with each other than our mainland cousins. That there is a religious and political division between is obvious and regretable but I as a TC see myself as a Cypriot first and foremost.

You have every right to see yourself anyway you wish but the ideology of being solely a "Cypriot" race, has not developed like for example the American or Australian races which started much later than the others. This philosphy had the opportunity to establish itself and grow in 1960 with the constitiution but unfortunately we had better ideas of becoming Greece or dividing the island. This divide has naturally nurtured more Turkish and Greek Cypriots who cling onto their identity even stronger as it is a symbol of their exisistence in a divided island where one side wants to establish full control and dominance of the island due to numerical advantage and the other side it trying to maintain self determination without being assimilated.

[Strahd]

VP,
I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on the point that there is a Cypriot race (possibly nation might be a better description even though we are divided). I think there are Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots but we both have more in common with each other than our mainland cousins. That there is a religious and political division between is obvious and regretable but I as a TC see myself as a Cypriot first and foremost.

You have every right to see yourself anyway you wish but the ideology of being solely a "Cypriot" race, has not developed like for example the American or Australian races which started much later than the others. This philosphy had the opportunity to establish itself and grow in 1960 with the constitiution but unfortunately we had better ideas of becoming Greece or dividing the island. This divide has naturally nurtured more Turkish and Greek Cypriots who cling onto their identity even stronger as it is a symbol of their exisistence in a divided island where one side wants to establish full control and dominance of the island due to numerical advantage and the other side it trying to maintain self determination without being assimilated.

No VP the reason that the ideaology of the Cypriot nation did not and will never flourish is because IT IS WRONG... The only way for us to work together is to start respecting each other and ourselves for what we are and move forward...

[Viewpoint]

So if the British and French respect each other a Britfren nation can flourish. I think it takes a bit more than just respect.

[Strahd]

So if the British and French respect each other a Britfren nation can flourish. I think it takes a bit more than just respect.

No because this approach is mistaken... a Cypriot nation will NEVER work. That is exactly what I am saying, the basis should be that of the respect of each other, I am Greek, you are Turkish, our home is Cyprus and we work together for the best of Cyprus and each other.

[Viewpoint]

So if the British and French respect each other a Britfren nation can flourish. I think it takes a bit more than just respect.

No because this approach is mistaken... a Cypriot nation will NEVER work. That is exactly what I am saying, the basis should be that of the respect of each other, I am Greek, you are Turkish, our home is Cyprus and we work together for the best of Cyprus and each other.

I feel that this Cypriot ideology can develop only and if we decide to unite and will naturally evlove over many years to a stage when everyone feels comfortable enough to feel just Cypriot. The problem with this ideology holds go us Tcs is that of assimilation into the numercially larger Gc population. Whether this is manipulated or not it is something that will effect us more than you, with the current scenerio we are again at risk but our culture and pschology dictates that we are more Turkish then Greek or GC and that we are returning to our roots.

[andri_cy]

souroul said on another topic

the real solution is me coming over there and kickng your ass all the way back to ankara but i'll just say that if theres a solution thats 50% fair to us we'll take it... but guess who wants more than they deserve, and is not greatful for what is given to him. opios theli ta polla hani kai ta liga

That topic is locked now..I couldnt resist and want to say somethin aboutit.Souroul if you ever gona do what u said above let me know darling i would be more than happy to help and enjoy it with you

So childish...

[andri_cy]

VP,
I am sorry but I have to disagree with you on the point that there is a Cypriot race (possibly nation might be a better description even though we are divided). I think there are Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots but we both have more in common with each other than our mainland cousins. That there is a religious and political division between is obvious and regretable but I as a TC see myself as a Cypriot first and foremost.

Good post Issy. Now if more people were to admit and embrace that side of theirs then it would be a step forward

[Natty]

I think there needs to be a balance between people's Greekness/Turkishness and people's Cypriotness....We can't deny, (or ask people to deny) that we are either...first of all that would be unfair...We just have to accept and embrace each other's differences and similarities...like we used to do all those years ago...and still do, I believe...

Peace!

[michalis5354]

No because this approach is mistaken... a Cypriot nation will NEVER work. That is exactly what I am saying, the basis should be that of the respect of each other, I am Greek, you are Turkish, our home is Cyprus and we work together for the best of Cyprus and each other.

So this is exactly what the Annan plan 5 was proposing as a solution. Both Turks and Greeks living side by side and being accountable to a loose central government! Please explain more your intentions because what you are proposing is no different to the Turkish vesrion of a settlement that is two states being united with a loose central governemnt.