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Now that the Orams have won, what does the future hold ?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Kifeas » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:26 pm

MarsdenCuckoo wrote:Kifeas: Don't patronise me - you have no idea how many books I have read on the subject. I have not been arrogant - far from it - but your attitude towards me simply endorses your condescension towards anyone, who fails to agree with you. The GCs bullied the TCs for eons - the TCs were 'allowed to exist' provided they served their so-called 'betters' and fitted in where they were allowed a morsel of 'space'. Well, time has moved on my 'friend'. The more Brits that move to the North, the more they will pass word back to the 'outside world' of the actual details rather than what has, to date, been the 'accepted truth'. Make the most of it while you can... the worm is turning. :lol:

Viewpoint: Sorry, I didn't want to suggest that the TCs wanted to annihilate the GCs - I simply wanted to illustrate that Turkey was here to protect the TCs rather than take over completely. Apologies again (no idea what Taksim is); yes, my knowledge of what has gone on in the past is limited but it doesn't take a brainsurgeon to work out who's got the most powerful propaganda m/c here. Chok memnum oldum, arkadashim.
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The veil is slowly but steadily dropping off your face. Please carry on! Soon we will also discover that your name is Ayse hanim!
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Postby eracles » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:30 pm

MarsdenCuckoo wrote:nswer: they wanted to protect the Turkish Cypriot peoples from annihilation. Just shows the 'spin'....


C'mon Cloud Cuckoo don't be so naive - even Denktash himself said...
"The Cyprus problem is not the issue of Turkish Cypriots. It is not an issue that is not solved due to the resistance of Denktas. The Cyprus issue is a geopolitic and strategic issue of Turkey. "

Turkey doesn't give a damn about TC's apart from using them to help their strategic aims.
It would have no qualms about all TC's leaving and being replaced by mainland settlers...AT ALL. :evil:
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Postby MarsdenCuckoo » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:57 pm

Kifeas: No idea who Ayse Hanim is.

Eracles: Sorry, can't even begin to reply to your comment - so guess, yes, I am sooooo naive. (More than happy to admit when I'm out of my depth)

OK, guys, sorry for wasting your time. Have a good evening and good luck to all in Cyprus..... whoever you are! :)
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Postby MarsdenCuckoo » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:00 pm

PS: The TCs I've met don't actually like the Turkish mainlanders - is it the same for the GCs ie how do they feel about mainland Greeks? Just wondered if, maybe, there was a hint of agreement in that direction?
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:36 pm

MarsdenCuckoo wrote:PS: The TCs I've met don't actually like the Turkish mainlanders - is it the same for the GCs ie how do they feel about mainland Greeks? Just wondered if, maybe, there was a hint of agreement in that direction?


We have absolutely no problem with the mainland Greeks, because they do not try to tell us what to do and they do not come here and colonize our country, neither do they come here and take our jobs as cheap labor, nor do they come here as cheap tourists walking around aimlessly in our streets, dressed in burgas, boots and baggy trousers, and sleep under the trees and inside our gardens, and commit thefts in order to survive.
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Postby MarsdenCuckoo » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:52 pm

Kifeas: Absolutely see your point on that... thanks for the reply. If you can possibly 'bear with me a little more' any chance of a simple explanation/outline re. the 'Greek coup' and the probs re. Makarios? Serious enquiry - def not trying to stir anything up... if it's too emotive then pls just say so.... ok? :)
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Postby Issy1956 » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:30 pm

Kifeas,
Yes please give a simple explanation/outline re. the 'Greek coup' and the probs re. Makarios?
Cant wait to hear it.
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Postby eracles » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:35 pm

MarsdenCuckoo wrote:Kifeas: No idea who Ayse Hanim is.

Eracles: Sorry, can't even begin to reply to your comment - so guess, yes, I am sooooo naive. (More than happy to admit when I'm out of my depth)

OK, guys, sorry for wasting your time. Have a good evening and good luck to all in Cyprus..... whoever you are! :)


Sorry MarsdenCuckoo I shouldn't have called you cloud cuckoo - it was childish. If you're looking for the truth be careful of what you believe, whether from a GC or TC, Turk or Greek, British or American - Most of what is written is opinion and the rest is mostly biased.
I'm trying to be less biased - I still find it really difficult coming to terms with people building holiday homes on GC land and then deciding that it's all the GCs fault because it becomes in their interests.
I also can't understand how if Talat really is pro-solution, he won't put a moratorium on the building of property on GC land.
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:38 pm

I am not sure I undertand your above question? Which "Greek coup" are you reffering to, the 21st April 1967 that brought the Greek junta in power in Greece, or the one against Makarios in 1974?

What do you mean "probs re. Makarios"?
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Postby Piratis » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:43 pm

Greece was at that time ruled by a USA sponsored military Junta. The Americans were afraid that the communists could come to power in Greece and for this reason they sponsored a coup in Greece and the Generals, who were loyal to the "west" came to power.

Under the bad agreements that we (Cypriots) were forced to sign in 1960, Greece, Turkey and Britain were allowed to maintain troops in Cyprus.

At that time Makarios, our president, was considered as leftist by the Americans who were calling him the "Red Monk" and Cyprus the "Cuba of Mediterranean". So they fooled those stupid Generals that ruled Greece at that time to make another coup in Cyprus, kill the "red monk" and put their own puppet president in his place.

Thats what they did. They used their troops in Cyprus, started killing the Greek Cypriots that tried to defend democracy and attempted to kill Makarios. However Makarios managed to escape abroad, and went to the UN to talk about the illegality of the coup.

Turkey, meanwhile was long preparing to finally put in action their invasion plans, first drawn decades earlier. They knew that the coup was coming (the Americans informed them long before it happened) and they were glad that they would finally have an excuse to invade Cyprus.

So the Turkish invasion started just 5 days after the coup, with the excuse of protecting the Turkish Cypriot minority in Cyprus. The "funny" part is that the Greek coup had not harmed any TCs up to that point, and they were only aiming at the Greek Cypriot supporters of Makarios.

So Turkey started the invasion and occupied a small part of Cyprus between Kerynia and Nicosia.

By that time the Junta in Greece had fall and democracy was restored in both Cyprus and Greece.

UN resolutions came out demanding the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and that all foreign armies should withdraw. Even a cease fire was agreed. Unfortunately Turkey violated the cease fire, ignored the UN resolutions, and continued with a second invasion to occupy the part of Cyprus they occupy until today.

6000 Greek Cypriots died from the invasion and 200.000 were made refugees. Today, 32 years after those events, Turkey continues to give lame excuses, ignores the UN resolutions, violates international law and continues to occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus.

Now their insistence on illegality will probably lead to the termination of the EU accession process, since apparently controlling Cyprus is very important for the strategic interests of Turkey that they are willing to sacrifice their EU accession for it.

In general, while GCs and TCs do have part of the blame, most of the blame goes to the big players that manipulated and continue to manipulate Cyprus with their armies and policies to serve their own interests.
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