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[Piratis]

No need, we treat them as equals in the UK...

We dont try to segregate them, kill them, or send them back to cyprus...

Equals is great. Thats what should have happened in Cyprus as well, if the British didn't force things in a different way.

How about if lets say Russia, was forcing the British to accept that the 200.000 GCs not as just equal citizens, but something way more. To have a veto power on every decision that you make.

And what if then those 200.000 GCs were using this power and the support of a foreign country to try to brake your country apart by using their veto power to bring everything to a halt (allowing no budget to pass from parliament, no decicison to be made etc). And those 200.000 have already declared their plans to partition your country and take a really big part (disproportionate) for themselves.

Here is a partition map prepared from Kuchuk in 1957. Their plans for partition our island have been there for decades before that, and they continue uninterrupted until today



So sure G.Man, if TCs were equal citizens as GCs are in the UK there would be no problems at all. Unfortunately the British have forced inequality among Cypriots dividing them based on their race, and this division was not even proportional. All this was part of their divide and rule policies, that intentionally screwed up our country.

[Piratis]

Thanks for the input. Shame all the Cypriots cannot just agree to disagree; allocate each other their own 'space' and get on with life.

The TCs "own space" is the 18% of Cyprus in all over the place, some homes and plots in Limassol, some homes and plots in Paphos, Nicosia, Larnaca, Kerynia, Famagusta etc.

In short TCs do not have their own separate space. They share the same space with us.

If the Asians in the UK tomorrow told you that they need their own separate space, would you give them 1/3rd of your country to have their own country there???

MarsdenCuckoo wouldnt worry to much about Kifeas or Piratis they are both hardliners

I am hardliner?
I support: legality, international law, human rights, democracy and equality of all people regarding their ethnic background, color, language etc.

On the other hand you support illegality and violation of international law, along with violation of human rights. You also refuse to accept democracy for Cyprus and you want Cypriots to be disproportionally split based on their race, something that last time happened in South Africa with Apartheid.

Your views are not only hardline, they are also extremist and racist.

[MarsdenCuckoo]

Piratis:

"TCs do not have their own separate space. They share the same space with us."

Why do the TCs have to share your space, why can't they have their own?? After all, they ARE Cypriots!

Our former neighbours were all born in Paphos - why do they say they dare not go back, even for a visit? Incidentally, a GC married into the family and he lives with them in the North so.... maybe you're right and the GCs share the TCs space too?

And as for Brits not giving up spaces/areas to ethnic minorities....

1. You've obviously never been to Bradford (or many of the other cities in the UK where you now feel out of place if you're 'white')!
2. Rules and regs are changed to suit (motorcycle helmets obligatory but not to anyone wearing a turban; height restrictions are 'relaxed' to certain jobs)
3. Preferential rules re. mosque buildings
4. School curriculum, meals, religious education, etc., etc., etc. are changed time and time again to suit the minorities.

Maybe if all the mainlanders (UK, Turks and Greeks) butted out the Cypriots would manage better on their own?

Just a thought!

[Kifeas]

Piratis:

"TCs do not have their own separate space. They share the same space with us."

Why do the TCs have to share your space, why can't they have their own?? After all, they ARE Cypriots!

Our former neighbours were all born in Paphos - why do they say they dare not go back, even for a visit? Incidentally, a GC married into the family and he lives with them in the North so.... maybe you're right and the GCs share the TCs space too?

And as for Brits not giving up spaces/areas to ethnic minorities....

1. You've obviously never been to Bradford (or many of the other cities in the UK where you now feel out of place if you're 'white')!
2. Rules and regs are changed to suit (motorcycle helmets obligatory but not to anyone wearing a turban; height restrictions are 'relaxed' to certain jobs)
3. Preferential rules re. mosque buildings
4. School curriculum, meals, religious education, etc., etc., etc. are changed time and time again to suit the minorities.

Maybe if all the mainlanders (UK, Turks and Greeks) butted out the Cypriots would manage better on their own?

Just a thought!

Can you show me on the map of Cyprus where the TCs can have their separate and exclusivelly own space? Can you?

[MarsdenCuckoo]

No and that's exactly why the whole scenario is sooooooooooooo unfair!

[Piratis]

MarsdenCuckoo, I am afraid you don't understand what happened in Cyprus. What happened in Cyprus is called ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation of one part of Cyprus by a foreign country, Turkey.

Why do the TCs have to share your space, why can't they have their own?? After all, they ARE Cypriots!

Exactly. They are Cypriots and the share Cyprus with the rest of Cypriots. Not like what they did: They kicked out all GCs from their homes and declared part of Cyprus as exclusively their own.

Our former neighbours were all born in Paphos - why do they say they dare not go back, even for a visit?

How about I kick you out of your house, steal it from you, and then invite you to visit me, just for a visit, in your own home. How would that feel?

And as for Brits not giving up spaces/areas to ethnic minorities....

1. You've obviously never been to Bradford (or many of the other cities in the UK where you now feel out of place if you're 'white')!
2. Rules and regs are changed to suit (motorcycle helmets obligatory but not to anyone wearing a turban; height restrictions are 'relaxed' to certain jobs)
3. Preferential rules re. mosque buildings
4. School curriculum, meals, religious education, etc., etc., etc. are changed time and time again to suit the minorities.

All that are are great. Not a problem at all. In Cyprus TCs have even more, like Turkish as an official language. (Arabic is not an official language in the UK, right? )

Now how about this: Ethnically cleansing all Britons from a part of the UK (this means kick you out of your homes), e.g. the area between London, Cardiff and Plymouth and declare there the Arab Republic of Britain, which would be a totally separate country, like Iraq for example. Would you accept that?

Maybe if all the mainlanders (UK, Turks and Greeks) butted out the Cypriots would manage better on their own?

Thats right. I 100% agree with that.

MarsdenCuckoo, no offense but I get the feeling that you know very little about Cyprus, our history and the Cyprus problem.

[reportfromcyprus]

MarsdenCuckoo, I am afraid you don't understand what happened in Cyprus. What happened in Cyprus is called ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation of one part of Cyprus by a foreign country, Turkey.

Why do the TCs have to share your space, why can't they have their own?? After all, they ARE Cypriots!

Exactly. They are Cypriots and the share Cyprus with the rest of Cypriots. Not like what they did: They kicked out all GCs from their homes and declared part of Cyprus as exclusively their own.

Our former neighbours were all born in Paphos - why do they say they dare not go back, even for a visit?

How about I kick you out of your house, steal it from you, and then invite you to visit me, just for a visit, in your own home. How would that feel?

And as for Brits not giving up spaces/areas to ethnic minorities....

1. You've obviously never been to Bradford (or many of the other cities in the UK where you now feel out of place if you're 'white')!
2. Rules and regs are changed to suit (motorcycle helmets obligatory but not to anyone wearing a turban; height restrictions are 'relaxed' to certain jobs)
3. Preferential rules re. mosque buildings
4. School curriculum, meals, religious education, etc., etc., etc. are changed time and time again to suit the minorities.

All that are are great. Not a problem at all. In Cyprus TCs have even more, like Turkish as an official language. (Arabic is not an official language in the UK, right? )

Now how about this: Ethnically cleansing all Britons from a part of the UK (this means kick you out of your homes), e.g. the area between London, Cardiff and Plymouth and declare there the Arab Republic of Britain, which would be a totally separate country, like Iraq for example. Would you accept that?

Maybe if all the mainlanders (UK, Turks and Greeks) butted out the Cypriots would manage better on their own?

Thats right. I 100% agree with that.

MarsdenCuckoo, no offense but I get the feeling that you know very little about Cyprus, our history and the Cyprus problem.

"No offense" That's the best one yet! LOL

[Viewpoint]

MarsdenCuckoo Gcs have a problem with us wanting our own space as then they would not have the numerical advantage over our community. Forcing us to reunite under their terms with no safety valves eg our own space, political equality pr security will mean in time they will just assmilate us into the GC population just the Turks in Thrace or Crete and that would be that. This is there ultimate goal and the will always play on the numerical superiority as this will take to them to that goal. Even in the UK where the Indians and Pakistanis never had an agreement with the British government like we did with the GC in 1960, the town you mentioned Bradford is 99% asian can caters for the asian community, in other words they have their space and freedom.

[MarsdenCuckoo]

OK - I give in - there's no point at all in continuing discussing anything with people, who are so indoctrinated they will not even TRY and look at the other side's point of view ie like all the TCs who had to leave their valuable homes in the South and go to less-valuable homes in the North!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kifeas]

No and that's exactly why the whole scenario is sooooooooooooo unfair!

What do you mean Cuckoo? Do you mean you cannot show me on the map where the TCs can have their separate and exclusive space in Cyprus?