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[miltiades]

Stuartn wrote ::
""I'm having some difficulty with your grammar Piratis - might be better understood if you kept to Greek. ""

There is nothing the matter with Piratis's grammar , indeed his command of the English language is far superior to yours Stuartn , Im sure you will agree to this. Are you a Sun READER ?

[G.Man]

Now I think about it, there are 200.000 GCs in the UK. Maybe they should be given a big chunk of your country as their own separate country and you being kicked out of that part?

No need, we treat them as equals in the UK...

We dont try to segregate them, kill them, or send them back to cyprus...

[miltiades]

A few years back I attended the first Xmas dinner and dance by the UKs' first ever Greek Cypriot School in South London. I was proud to notice that two flags were exhibited , the Cypriot and the British .
Cypriots in the UK are an admirable brand of people. The statistics show that the huge majority are decent , hardworking self reliant and honest citizens that have integrated with the British society , and the British have reciprocated by accepting us as such.

[MarsdenCuckoo]

Multiades: Would go one further.... all Cypriots (I've met) are admirable people. Their country is similarly admired; shame they can't find an admirable solution.

Kifeas: No, I'm not drunk and, yes, I am serious. Why the insults? If you have anything constructive to add to my serious query, please feel free; otherwise, as my granny used to say "if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all". As for my contradicting myself, I was simply offering 'the other side of the coin' i.e. to illustrate a balanced viewpoint. Your signature is a 'tad' contradictory in that surely TCs are Cypriots and, as such, Cyprus (or part of it) belongs to them too!

Piratis: (any connection to Jack Sparrow?) Your analogy doesn't work (would think the Scots, Welsh, Irish - best not get into that subject matter - are more than happy to have their own 'partitioned areas/countries' where, quite rightly they are proud of and can enjoy their own specific traditions). Per comment to Kifeas, TCs are also Cypriots and it is their basic human right to be allowed peaceable enjoyment of their homes wherever they may be. I have found no reference anywhere that the past problems can be laid at the TCs door so what's wrong with them having their own special 'area/country'? Is it just the ratio that you object to?

[Kifeas]

Multiades: Would go one further.... all Cypriots (I've met) are admirable people. Their country is similarly admired; shame they can't find an admirable solution.

Kifeas: No, I'm not drunk and, yes, I am serious. Why the insults? If you have anything constructive to add to my serious query, please feel free; otherwise, as my granny used to say "if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all". As for my contradicting myself, I was simply offering 'the other side of the coin' i.e. to illustrate a balanced viewpoint. Your signature is a 'tad' contradictory in that surely TCs are Cypriots and, as such, Cyprus (or part of it) belongs to them too!

Piratis: (any connection to Jack Sparrow?) Your analogy doesn't work (would think the Scots, Welsh, Irish - best not get into that subject matter - are more than happy to have their own 'partitioned areas/countries' where, quite rightly they are proud of and can enjoy their own specific traditions). Per comment to Kifeas, TCs are also Cypriots and it is their basic human right to be allowed peaceable enjoyment of their homes wherever they may be. I have found no reference anywhere that the past problems can be laid at the TCs door so what's wrong with them having their own special 'area/country'? Is it just the ratio that you object to?

MarsdenCuckoo, I do not know where you come from and how old you are, but please learn a bit about the history of this country before making "suggestions" and throwing "ideas." I really have neither the time nor the stomach to start you over right from the first year of primary school on the whole issue. Just read the thousands of postings in this forum and hopefully you will understand that what you are saying, your overall approach, are nothing more than provocative and insulting nonsense! Your reasoning is way oversimplistic, and is only the result of your complete ignorance on the entire issue of Cyprus and the history behind. You just look at things only on the surface, and making totally unrelated comparissons and assumptions. Sorry!

[miltiades]

MursdenCuckoo , I'm afraid Kifeas is correct in advising you to either learn something about this very sensitive issue or refrain from commenting on a subject that can cause offense to those who have lost their ancestral homes , homes and property that stretch back many hundreds of years .
I know you mean well but frankly to dismiss the grievances of some 200 thousand displaced people in a "a matter of fact" fashion is rather insensitive.
I commend you however for stating that ""TCs are also Cypriots and it is their basic human right to be allowed peaceable enjoyment of their homes wherever they may be. ""
A point I always make with total sincerity in most of my posts.

[doglover]

"TCs are also Cypriots and it is their basic human right to be allowed peaceable enjoyment of their homes wherever they may be."

I could not agree with you more.

[MarsdenCuckoo]

Kifeas: What a patronising and angry person you seem to be! I ask a simple question and you revert with nothing constructive, only insults...

There is nothing wrong with 'outsiders' making suggestions. Sometimes people can be too close to their own problems to find a fair and equitable solution without independent input. (Ever heard of "not being able to see the wood for the trees", or, "brainstorming"?) Obviously, no such thing as the counselling profession, Ombudsmen or ACAS in your 'world'.

Seems to me that in your 'world' the 'A Plan' does definitely not stand for 'Annan'.

In all wars there are evils on both sides; get over it and move on. Life is too short to waste; make the most of it while you can.

Christine

PS: My apologies to anyone I offended with my query; this was definitely not my intention. If, after all these years the wound is still so raw, then surely partition - with relevant compensation in both directions - has got to be the way forward?

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas: What a patronising and angry person you seem to be! I ask a simple question and you revert with nothing constructive, only insults...

There is nothing wrong with 'outsiders' making suggestions. Sometimes people can be too close to their own problems to find a fair and equitable solution without independent input. (Ever heard of "not being able to see the wood for the trees", or, "brainstorming"?) Obviously, no such thing as the counselling profession, Ombudsmen or ACAS in your 'world'.

Seems to me that in your 'world' the 'A Plan' does definitely not stand for 'Annan'.

In all wars there are evils on both sides; get over it and move on. Life is too short to waste; make the most of it while you can.

Christine

PS: My apologies to anyone I offended with my query; this was definitely not my intention. If, after all these years the wound is still so raw, then surely partition - with relevant compensation in both directions - has got to be the way forward?

MarsdenCuckoo wouldnt worry to much about Kifeas or Piratis they are both hardliners who do not see eye to eyewith many people on this forum. Kifeas attitude is always to degrade and belittle anyones arguements who do not coincide with his own.

You are right that sometimes we are to close to the problem and that outsiders can see be more clearly and be less biased in their thought process. I agree a lot with what you say but unfortunately I have great difficulty in making GCs see that after 46 years of trying to build a united Cyprus the only real success we have had has been partition. This must tell us something, yet many people are still blind or do not want to acknowledge this fact.

[MarsdenCuckoo]

Viewpoint: Thanks for the input. Shame all the Cypriots cannot just agree to disagree; allocate each other their own 'space' and get on with life. The Cypriots I've met, North and South, are very similar in so many ways - I've told them on many occasions that if I was 'the mum' and the GCs and TCs were 'the kids' then I'd bang their heads together and make them get on with it. Family squabbles and all that. Yes, I know atrocities happened on both sides and I am not trying to make light of any of the heartache and pain suffered but there must come a point when the important thing is to forgive and move forward in the most positive way possible. A few years ago I was diagnosed with cancer - devastating at the time - but now I look back and realise it was the best thing that ever happened to me. It changed my whole outlook on life. Best advice is to stop harbouring hatred and make the most of every day because you never know what's round the corner!

Christine
(Nil Desperandum)

PS: I tried to find a nice 'peace-inspiring' emoticon but failed.... how come there are two emoticons firing guns but no peace-makers?????