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[rolo]

Collective punishment is not the solution. Invading and killing 10k civilians is not the solution either. Turkey now faces a dead-end. It is cyprus or EUrope! You see, the invasion after 30 years became a boomerag for turkey.

Oh no not again please - here we go again with the gc figure evolution propaganda.

First it was two thousand deaths then four thousand, then six thousand and now ten thousand.

[Pyrpolizer]

stuballstu,

It seems you did not understand the grounds on which the judge had to examine how the Court procedure in Cyprus was performed. Because if there were grounds that the decision was made on default that would make it unenforcable by the British court. This becomes void with paragraph 68 where it says:

"68. Mr Beazley submitted that there was jurisdiction by reason of this Article because an unconditional appearance had been entered. It is clear however that it was always the intention of Mr and Mrs Orams to contest the jurisdiction of the District Court as their subsequent application shows. That brings them within the second sentence of the Article. It is no matter that they also intended to raise a defence on the merits: I refer to Briggs & Rees, pages 92 and 93. "

[rolo]

ok so the Orams won their case. Whats changed? nothing.



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so whats next on the agenda guys?

[Kikapu]

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Was this suppose to be your homework from school or punishment or what.??

[rolo]

For once more,, the coup have failed. Turkish army was prepared months ago to invade cyprus, it didnt do this to protect anyone, it is just on their nature to solve probs using the army and fear. that makes the difference from a european country.

do you mean like The British and other Euro nato troops in Afghanistan,

see below for euro countries supplying NATO personell in Afghanistan.


NATO Nations
Belgium
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxemburg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom


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[rolo]

kikapu

its a simple question.

if you didnt understand i'll repeat.


whats the next trick in store, none have worked so far.

if you have an answer please let everyone know.


Do you have one or not?

These stupid tricks are only delaying any outcome, causing more misery and wider divisions.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ok let me rephrase that:
A default decision is not enforceable provided certain predifined conditions exist.
The first default decision of the Cypriot Court could in fact fall within those conditions.
However the first default condition was later put aside on application of the TC lawyer, and the trial was contacted normally.

The "camera" show was not convincing because the statements of the 2 sides about the time of the service were contradictory and the judge could not rely on a camera because he said cameras can be adjust for low light hence give the impression of a different time. On the other hand he could not get anything useful from Mrs Orams because -he says- she was too emmotional to be able to give coherent answers.

The essense of the decision is clearly based on protocol 10. Its really striking noticing that on most points the judge seemed absolutely certain for his conclussions, however on the very point he seemed oscillating here and there. If I remember well he said something like "this is my opinion, I hope I interpreted it correctly nevertheless I stand to be corrected?"

NB. After reading the decision it seems to me that Kandounas made a lot of "acrobatisms" that might eventually burn us all. How the hell did he decide to go to the British court while the case is still pending at the Supreme Court in Cyprus??? That was too risky imo.

[stuballstu]

Pyrpolizer wrote

stuballstu,

It seems you did not understand the grounds on which the judge had to examine how the Court procedure in Cyprus was performed. Because if there were grounds that the decision was made on default that would make it unenforcable by the British court. This becomes void with paragraph 68 where it says:

"68. Mr Beazley submitted that there was jurisdiction by reason of this Article because an unconditional appearance had been entered. It is clear however that it was always the intention of Mr and Mrs Orams to contest the jurisdiction of the District Court as their subsequent application shows. That brings them within the second sentence of the Article. It is no matter that they also intended to raise a defence on the merits: I refer to Briggs & Rees, pages 92 and 93

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Pyrpolizer

Please explain what you mean. Quite clearly in paragraph 54 about the way the judgement was delivered to the Orams. Which part of that didnt u understand? Also in what way does paragraph 68 make any part of Judge Jacks findings "void"?

Let me ask you this would you rather the property issue in Cyprus is dealt through law courts or by way of political settlement? The only people to win through the law courts would be lawyers as my Apostolides has just found out to his cost (75% of over £750,000)

[Pyrpolizer]

stuballstu,

I already rephrased my post. You are right paragraph 68 is irrelevant. I took some notes and have to go through them again as I anly read the decision once.

Anyway in one of my previous posts I said that in the absense of a solution there is no other way for the GCs to protect their interests as individuals.
An agreed solution is of course prefered, but as you can see the occupation regime is doing everything possible to make it more and more difficult.

[Viewpoint]

Would have been cheaper to buy the damn plot back from the Orams