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[Viewpoint]

He'll end up beating himself to death, VP.

[EUropean666]

EOKA B wasnt alone, it had MTM killing innocent ppl. If it was about enosis, this would have occur during the 60's before the constitution.

[Viewpoint]

The dream continued well into the 1960s which fuelled Taksim, if only you GCs has ofleft things alone and promoted a Cypriot people with equal rights for all who knows where we would be today?

[EUropean666]

Collective punishment is not the solution. Invading and killing 10k civilians is not the solution either. Turkey now faces a dead-end. It is cyprus or EUrope! You see, the invasion after 30 years became a boomerag for turkey.

[Pyrpolizer]

you shoudl really ask yourselves will it have desired effect either way? the building may slow down and the buyers may originate from non EU countries but the GCs will still not be able to return to their properties unless their is a solution.

In the absense of any solution you should actually be able to answer this question yourself. What would you do if you were a GC? Sit totally idle without doing anything? This is what we can do as individuals this is what we do. Given the fact the majority of the buyers are Europeans, a possitive outcome is enough not only to slow down this illegal action that YOU are doing but even stop it completely.

Yeah yeah if they had decided in your favor you would now be applauding British Justice

Yes I would applaud it because it would have done the right thing. Even youself know the Court DID NOT DELIVER JUSTICE. It just said it cannot proceed. Which translates to: "I cannot deliver justice"

What have they done??

I answered you the same question many times in the past. Hey you have a habit of repeating everything hundreds of times. Do you for example know how many times you repeated the "46 years" slogan in this forum?Why don’t you tell me what your leaders have done for a change. Oh, I forgot you already answered that, they permitted the operation under licence of 2 churches out of 500 looted, and they opened the borders which they themselves kept closed for 30 years…..

Anyway for the last time : Honorable Mr Papadopoulos ask to meet the UN secretary General in Paris. They agreed how to proceed. Because of this initiative the technical committees should be formed and start work.
Hn Papadopoulos is the only one who proposed something for you to start having trade with Europe. There could be hundreds of new steps if your side just responded with a sincere yes to any of these. So far all your side is saying is no,no,no. Damn to start dancing you must say yes at least once. We cannot dance alone.
What hasTalat done? Well he went to Turkey cheated the whole international Formula1 race federation just to deliver the trophy to the winner. One week later he goes to Pakistan to present himself as a leader of an unknown pseudo.
So as you can see he is working hard for a solution…

[doglover]

:( I was very sad to hear about this. I think it's morally wrong to buy land, or build properties on land that was previously owned by a GC. So I'm not with the Orams on this one. I feel very sorry for Apostolides. IF I were to buy property on the Northern side, (and I wouldn't) I would do my homework first to ensure that the property I was buying did not belong to a Greek Cypriot prior to the war. Unfortunately it is legal... but it's morally wrong and it's a shame people don't feel the same way when they're shopping around for their house in the sun. The Greek government is at fault here. They were the ones that 'caused the invasion, because the military junter who at the time were the legitimate government of Greece, decided that they wanted to take over Cyprus, which resulted in the coup in Cyprus, where Greek Cypriot sympathizers of the junter in Greece, attempted to over throw the government and put a puppet president in place, named Nikos Sampson.

The Turkish Cypriots were naturally worried about this situation, and asked the Turkish government for help to protect their interests here in Cyprus. So they invaded.

So I strongly believe that the Greek government (Greece) should pick up the bill for this. They should compensate everybody that has lost property, as a result of this, both Greek Cypriots, and Turkish Cypriots.

Dog lover, I believe it is better if you just continue making love with your dog, and live us alone and free from your foolish and ignorant claims above! You do not have a word to say about the country that ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs from the ancestral properties, homes and villages, and usurped all their properties in a pirate act of aggression and theft, which is Turkey, and you come here to tell us that Greece should pick up the bill. Why aren’t the findings of the European Court of Human Rights, the same like yours, but instead they found Turkey the guilty gross violator of Cypriot’s human rights. Keep doing what you know best to do, which is to make love with your dogs. Are they male or female dogs by the way, and do you also do it doggy style sometimes? Get lost idiot!

Now now, no need to be insulting and hateful because my opinions are different from yours. Your post is pretty self explanatory, as to what kind of person you are. It is the few like you that give Cypriot people a bad name on this forum. We can do without your flag waving and extreme patriotic ways.

And you can mock me as much as you want for protecting the animals of Cyprus.

What good have you done for this country, other than teaching your children to hate the British and Turkish?

[Strahd]

:( I was very sad to hear about this. I think it's morally wrong to buy land, or build properties on land that was previously owned by a GC. So I'm not with the Orams on this one. I feel very sorry for Apostolides. IF I were to buy property on the Northern side, (and I wouldn't) I would do my homework first to ensure that the property I was buying did not belong to a Greek Cypriot prior to the war. Unfortunately it is legal... but it's morally wrong and it's a shame people don't feel the same way when they're shopping around for their house in the sun. The Greek government is at fault here. They were the ones that 'caused the invasion, because the military junter who at the time were the legitimate government of Greece, decided that they wanted to take over Cyprus, which resulted in the coup in Cyprus, where Greek Cypriot sympathizers of the junter in Greece, attempted to over throw the government and put a puppet president in place, named Nikos Sampson.

The Turkish Cypriots were naturally worried about this situation, and asked the Turkish government for help to protect their interests here in Cyprus. So they invaded.

So I strongly believe that the Greek government (Greece) should pick up the bill for this. They should compensate everybody that has lost property, as a result of this, both Greek Cypriots, and Turkish Cypriots.

Dog lover, I believe it is better if you just continue making love with your dog, and live us alone and free from your foolish and ignorant claims above! You do not have a word to say about the country that ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs from the ancestral properties, homes and villages, and usurped all their properties in a pirate act of aggression and theft, which is Turkey, and you come here to tell us that Greece should pick up the bill. Why aren’t the findings of the European Court of Human Rights, the same like yours, but instead they found Turkey the guilty gross violator of Cypriot’s human rights. Keep doing what you know best to do, which is to make love with your dogs. Are they male or female dogs by the way, and do you also do it doggy style sometimes? Get lost idiot!

Now now, no need to be insulting and hateful because my opinions are different from yours. Your post is pretty self explanatory, as to what kind of person you are. It is the few like you that give Cypriot people a bad name on this forum. We can do without your flag waving and extreme patriotic ways.

And you can mock me as much as you want for protecting the animals of Cyprus.

What good have you done for this country, other than teaching your children to hate the British and Turkish?

doglover we are greeks... wether you and your turkish friends like it or not so stop insulting our brothers and look at your own mess...

[Pyrpolizer]

"but it wasn't my fault darling. If she did not get undress and did not open her legs for me, I would have never dreamt of having sex with her. Honestly dear, I had nothing to gain by screwing her".

Kikapu is the best. Just reading it’s as if I spent a night at Las Vegas, there go my pesos I brought from Mehiko again….


KIFEAS,

I understand you need to show your anger and frustration. That’s understandable. That’s exactly how I also felt last night. What a shame that court decision brought! I couldn’t digest it…. I couldn’t spell a word. When the only thing left for us is just the moral support of the "civilised" nations and all we get is just the opposite.However after looking at the sympathy almost every British person in here expressed then my hopes came back. Yes there is still hope in this world, nothing is over.

I took the liberty to copy paste your own message below deleting some tiny parts. It expresses fully your frustration and anger without missing one iota in essense. Yet is NOT the same message….. That’s the kind of messages I want to hear from you.

I believe it is better if you live us alone and free from your foolish and ignorant claims above! You do not have a word to say about the country that ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs from the ancestral properties, homes and villages, and usurped all their properties in a pirate act of aggression and theft, which is Turkey, and you come here to tell us that Greece should pick up the bill. Why aren’t the findings of the European Court of Human Rights, the same like yours, but instead they found Turkey the guilty gross violator of Cypriot’s human rights. Keep doing what you know best to do.

[stuballstu]

Some of you are missing out on some points made from the judgement.

Firstly any appeal will be based on opinion of the suspension of the "acquitis"

But do not neglect the second half of the judgement, relating to the service of the "writ" and the too speedy nature of the "default judgement". The Judge was quite scathing of both the lawyers, in fact as judgements go he was positively hopping. There was no fudge here. For a Judge to comment that an Officer of the Court "lied" (Para 54) is strong indeed.

Leaving aside the Cyprob for the moment this judgement is a clear message from the English Courts that they will abide by 44/2001 for the (pretty much) automatic enforcement of judgements from other EU Courts providing that such judgements are obtained fairly and professionally. If the English Courts sniff any mickey mouse sharp practice or too-clever-by-half antics they'll refuse to enforce. They will demand a level of professionalism that hitherto some of our Cypriot Lawyers (on both sides) disdain in favour of grandstanding theatrics. English Courts have always taken a dismal view of such (Justice Jack was obviously none too impressed with the video camera stunt).

Because he found as to the facts of the service and the default judgement Apostolides will be hard pressed to appeal on this part of the Justice Jack's decision.

It is also worth noting that Judge Jack also stated that the legal owner of the land was still Apostolides.

In my opinion the judge did not want to rule in favour or against either party but would prefer the decision came from another source ie the ECHR.

The issues of lands owned by either TC or GC's should be taken care of by a political settlement and not through any court in Cyprus, EU or the UK. The longer the problems in Cyprus go on then the less likely there is of any refugees returning.

Also why do the ROC government not serve court proceedings on the Turkish Cypriot who originally sold the land, as in the eyes of the ROC it was not his to sell? Would they dare do that against a Cypriot citizen?

[rawk]

Here's a thought and I'm not advocating it before you all reach for your guns etc as I feel the issue should have been dealt with at a political level rather than a legal one!

If Mr Apostolidis has been ordered to pay 75% of the court costs, which are estimated at £650,000, and returns to Cyrus having failed to pay them? Could the Orams now pursue him in the EU court for possession of his property in Cyprus as recompense there if he does not pay up? Sauce for the goose etc....

Rawk