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[Pyrpolizer]

What really surprised me is not the decision itself but the reasoning behind the decision. I have seen many analyses regarding this case advocating the possibility that the court would decide in favor of Orams, not because they were right, but because of other reasons. None whatsover predicted the reasoning that under protocol 10 the EU Aquis is suspended in the occupied areas hence the British court can declare itself inappropriate to apply another EU courts decision concerning that area.

The judge is totally in error, first because he has no authority to arbitrarily translate what protocol 10 means, secondly because he does not even know how crimes even outside the EU committed by EU citizens could be treated inside the EU as per EU aquis….

This leads me to the conclussion that everything was staged. It was staged to buy time for Turkey, to save the face of Cheryy Plum, and finally provide for a weak reasoning that would fall appart at the Court of Appeals hence save face of the British justice after all….

At this point it is obvious the British Court has failed to deliver justice.

NB. Hey if the EU Aquis is suspended in the occupied, then according to the logic of judge Jack I can go there tomorrow, kill a British, admit my crime, be convicted by the District Court of Nicosia, somehow escape to Germany and the German court refuse to arrest me!

[Swashbuckler]

Hey Natty,

The coup failed because Turkey intervened. Absolutely no other reason whatsoever.

[Swashbuckler]

Hi Pyrpolizer,

Protocol 10 is extremely explicit - there's no arbitrariness about the Judge's decision.

Have you not looked at the second half of the judgement? It appears the Judge was not happy at the service of the "writ" or of the speediness of the "default judgement".

[Viewpoint]

What really surprised me is not the decision itself but the reasoning behind the decision. I have seen many analyses regarding this case advocating the possibility that the court would decide in favor of Orams, not because they were right, but because of other reasons. None whatsover predicted the reasoning that under protocol 10 the EU Aquis is suspended in the occupied areas hence the British court can declare itself inappropriate to apply another EU courts decision concerning that area.

The judge is totally in error, first because he has no authority to arbitrarily translate what protocol 10 means, secondly because he does not even know how crimes even outside the EU committed by EU citizens could be treated inside the EU as per EU aquis….

This leads me to the conclussion that everything was staged. It was staged to buy time for Turkey, to save the face of Cheryy Plum, and finally provide for a weak reasoning that would fall appart at the Court of Appeals hence save face of the British justice after all….

At this point it is obvious the British Court has failed to deliver justice.

NB. Hey if the EU Aquis is suspended in the occupied, then according to the logic of judge Jack I can go there tomorrow, kill a British, admit my crime, be convicted by the District Court of Nicosia, somehow escape to Germany and the German court refuse to arrest me!

Yet another consipiracy against the GCs, continue churning out your feable excuses and play blame games. The bottom line is this case highlighted that there is profit to be made in the TRNC for investors, that in itself will now fuel renewed interest, is that what you really wanted?. You have really succeded in put this whole issue in the fridge until a solution is found which many believe is never. Well done MR Candounassssssss.

[Kifeas]

Hi Pyrpolizer,

Protocol 10 is extremely explicit - there's no arbitrariness about the Judge's decision.

Have you not looked at the second half of the judgement? It appears the Judge was not happy at the service of the "writ" or of the speediness of the "default judgement".

Do you have a link of the actual judgment?

[Natty]

Hey Natty,

The coup failed because Turkey intervened. Absolutely no other reason whatsoever.

Hey Swashbuckler, yeah your probably right, but when the coup happened, there were many GC's that fought against it, and it definitely wasn't supported by the majority....

Peace!

[Pyrpolizer]

Swashbuckler,

The only one suitable to provide a legal explanation of what protocol 10 means in legal terms is the EU itself, not any judge of whatever court. In fact the right body of EU is currently being asked to do so.

[Pyrpolizer]

Just preliminarily I tell you that the suspension of the Aquis at the occupied was actually meant to releive the RoC from its obligations towards the EU in applying the Aquis there, not that the Aquis should be regarded invalid in the occupied. It was not meant to releive the EU for applying decisions made of RoC concerning the occupied that are in line with the Aquis. See the difference? Also please refer to the example of murder I gave before.

In fact direct trade of EU with the occcupied concerns an application of the Aquis in the occupied.

[G.Man]

Look, can I ask what apostolides can do with the land under the current regime?

As far as I was aware he cannot sell or use the land...

So if thats the case, how on earth is he entitlted to compensation?

Once the real issue is resolved, ie the cyprus problem, he can evict the orams off his land and have it back... complete with a luxury villa...

I dont agree with the judgement, but the victory for the orams is (hopefully) gonna be a shortlived one..

The land has not been stolen, merely temporarily borrowed...

[Kozza]

The way I see it is that Greek Cypriots voted overwhelmingly against the Annan Plan. Despite its flaws, it provided a means to settle land desputes on both sides. The Turkish community voted for the Plan. The Greek decision has allowed their half access to the EU while the TRNC languishes in its limbo state. Now Greek Cypriots want to reap the benefits of EU membership and get compensation for their properties in the North.

As a 37-year-old London Cypriot who has witnessed the unfolding drama or tragedy unfold over my lifetime I am staggered by the Greek Cypriot attitudes I have seen on this forum. You can't have it both ways. You have been wronged but it seems that the only acceptable solution for many Greeks is 1974 parity and that just isn't going to happen.

For reasons of economic necessity brought on by Greek intransigence, the Turkish Cypriot authorities have repopulated the north with Anatolians. Greek Cypriots talk about them as if they were a subspecies. There are now two generations of mainland Turks living in Cyprus. Some of them originate from other countries like Bulgaria, and view themselves as Turkish Cypriots. The ethnic make-up of the north has changed irrevocably. My friend Ibo lives in Ayios Sergios. His grandparents were Pontic Greeks who spoke Greek as a first language. His family openly talk of their Greek ancestry but are extremely nationalistic Turks. My point is that the minorities in Cyprus should not be viewed as an abstract inconvenience. They are a political and social reality.

Also, there is blase talk of repatriation of mainlanders. That is the kind of language I grew up listening to when the National Front marched through our London cities in the 1970s. Imagine telling our immigrants of two generations in England (many of them Turkish or Greek Cypriots) that they had less of a right to citizenship because of their race - How preposterous!

The Oram Case ruling, I hope will open the eyes of many Greek Cypriots to the political realities that exist in Cyprus today. The sight of teary eyed Greeks revisiting their ancestral homes is painful but doesn't help solve any of the problems of this deep and painful conflict.