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[Natty]

The thing with spending money in the North...There are many innocent TC's living in the North, trying to make a living for themselves and their family, so if spending money in their coffee shop, etc.. when visiting the North will help, then why not? (okay it sounds like I'm talking about giving charity...or that I'm looking down on people, I'm not, It's just, it's not fair to refuse to buy something from honest people...if that makes any sense.. ..) About the casinos? Well I'm not too sure....

Peace!

[Viewpoint]

This case has exploded in the GCs face, whatever excuses and explanations are made by GCs itsnot what they wanted. The idea behind this case was to stop Brits buying villas in the TRNC. Well as I mentioned before this was always the risk of starting a case by case legal battle that is so high profile and could and has turned sour. To top it all part of legal costs of the Ormans have to be paid for by the GC.
Now with all this publicity and verdict where the Brits property in the UK cannot be siezed, add to this the new insurance to cover loss created by LLoyds and the TRNc Government guarantee, you have effectively single handedly encouraged many more investors to buy in the north, well done MR Coundanasssssss.


Your time and effort would have paid better dividends if your to have applied pressure on your leaders to address this issue directly rather than play silly buggers and blame all and sundry.

[PaulUK]

Let us all hope the final decision is a fair an just one ie: in the GC'S favour.

[Issy1956]

Kifeas.
I agree with you in that you have to wait for the details of the judgement and even then it was expected that whatever the outcome the losing side would appeal so its far too early for anyone to claim victory. At the end of the no one can deny that the land belongs to Apostolides but in the absence of a political solution there is little or no chance that he will obtain either possession for fair recompense. I am not convinced that all these piecemeal court actions will contribute anything to the peace process. Also note that the GC has been ordered to 75% ofthe legal cost (£750K) so the only people winning are the lawyers on boths side (Mrs Blairs Fees £300K). Where will it all end?

[Jerry]

I have not read the judgement in full but I understand that it cannot be enforced because the EU acquis does not apply to the north. If the TCs carry on selling GC property then they are effectively excluding themselves from ever entering the EU because if and when they do join the floodgates will open once the EU acquis applied to them. They are making a difficult situation worse. Both sides have issues with each other the problem is that most of the actions of the TCs are difficult or impossible to reverse (settlers, sale of GC land, destruction and theft of Greek Heritage) whereas the principle TC demands, opening ports, ending isolation and political changes are , in practical terms. easily achievable. Yes, I know that some TC land has been developed in the south but it has usually been out of necessity and on a much smaller scale than in the north. More importantly the GCs have not made an indusrtry out of selling off land that does not belong to them to greedy and gullible third parties.

[Grande_assiette]

Well, Well, that was a statement of the obvious.

If anyone actually thought that a british court would find against british people with the british prime ministers wife defending then they need their head examined.

There was no way on this planet the the GC Apostolides was gonna have any judgement in his favour, he must be more stupid than he looks, even to have thought so.

The cyprus problem is a british made one and there was no way the british courts were going to rule against themsleves now, were they ?

Sadly, for the many GC who were hoping for some justice, dream on.

This is a sad day for cyprus and the GC nation.

Pantheman

Hmm I expected Brits wouldn't be popular after this.. understandably so.. but you need to analyse what the Judge says..

He says that his court can't RULE .. but confirms that that the land is still the GCs..The ECHR confirms this.

The Brits wanted this case to "go away" ..as they'd prefer the ECHR ,UN or EU to "sort out " this minefield... this is ( in my humble opinion) a legal delaying tactic.

I hope that the case DOES go to higher courts, that CAN rule..


Pantheman.. were you aware that the British Inland Revenue service.. tax authorities.. tried to obtain a judgement in a RoC court to have two Cypriots brought to justice, for non payment of UK taxes, but the RoC Judge refused.. on a LEGAL point.. that the RoC constitution didn't allow for it's citizens to be extradited for the charges..

Britain pointed out in a European Court that the RoC constitution was superceded by EU membership, and the RoC finally got around to voting to change it's constitution ( and restrospectively adjust incorrect rulings) two years AFTER joining the EU.

The Two Cypriots must now go to London to face the charges...

So , PLEASE , don't throw stones in a glass house ...


I do not think that it is correct for any displaced Cypriot to have his land "sold on" for development, and hope that all Cypriots will realise realise that this isn't a loss or a win.. YET.

The Orams' aren't "out of the woods" yet .. just like the two GCs.

Now all we have to wait for is Messrs Robb and Nadir to have their days in court !

As for "the Cyprus problem is a British made one.." We'll just ignore the historical folly of a left leaning Cyprus thinking it could join with a Fascist Junta, ignoring the rights of minorities,.. and that the country with 70 times the population would sit on it's hands and watch ??!

The Cyprus Problem is largely down to GC insensitivity.. aided to a much lessor extent by British relucteace to let CY go, ( Divide and rule) CIA meddling ( as Makarios courted the Soviets) and Turkey vowing that Cyprus wouldn't go the way of Crete.

[Issy1956]

GA
"The Cyprus Problem is largely down to GC insensitivity.. aided to a much lessor extent by British relucteace to let CY go, ( Divide and rule) CIA meddling ( as Makarios courted the Soviets) and Turkey vowing that Cyprus wouldn't go the way of Crete"
A brief but very accurate summary. Well said

[Natty]

We'll just ignore the historical folly of a left leaning Cyprus thinking it could join with a Fascist Junta, ignoring the rights of minorities,.. and that the country with 70 times the population would sit on it's hands and watch ??!

Hey Grande-assiette, I can't say I agree with what you said....The fact is, the Greek Cypriots did not want to join with the Greek Fascist Junta, that is precisesly why the Coup failed, and precisely why the Coupists attempted ti kill Makarios....

[Viewpoint]

I have not read the judgement in full but I understand that it cannot be enforced because the EU acquis does not apply to the north. If the TCs carry on selling GC property then they are effectively excluding themselves from ever entering the EU because if and when they do join the floodgates will open once the EU acquis applied to them. They are making a difficult situation worse. Both sides have issues with each other the problem is that most of the actions of the TCs are difficult or impossible to reverse (settlers, sale of GC land, destruction and theft of Greek Heritage) whereas the principle TC demands, opening ports, ending isolation and political changes are , in practical terms. easily achievable. Yes, I know that some TC land has been developed in the south but it has usually been out of necessity and on a much smaller scale than in the north. More importantly the GCs have not made an indusrtry out of selling off land that does not belong to them to greedy and gullible third parties.

Thats because the are recognized and not isolated like us, if we had the same opportunites then maybe we to would not have developed GC land which on scale is far grater in the north than the TC land in the south.

[EUropean666]

maybe the labour consider the 150,000 greek cypriot votes and several thousand greek votes in Britain. Having in mind that the elections may go head by head, the will like not to lose some of their votes due to Mrs. Blair's actions