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[rolo]

The above tells me you are stuck in time warp...can you imagine if the coloured people in the US had the same mentality as yours where they will be today?
You keep on bringing the same argument forward all the time and always the 1960 era...do you also drive an old hillman or your upgraded for newer model...

And this above tells us you havent got a clue what this war was about, cared even less or if you ever did then you have forgotten and are hopeful the world also forgets. Thankfully forums like this will prevent that from happening.

the only period in your history when you had exclusive power brought intercommunal fighting or civil war, a military coup by an outside power, invasion from an other power, and division. Boy you really cocked that up big time, and it was everbody's fault except your own, but you still cant accept that you are totally unfit to govern.

Since 74 there has been no killings, no coups, no outside interventions, and time has stood still, so untill an agreement comes that satisfies the 74 desires of the tcs, they are happy and proud to drive their own hillmans.

[boomerang]

hey rolo today is 2006...WW2 finished in 1945, did you kinow that?...Germany and France are not warring anymore...Did you know that?

and my reply about the veto was a responce to the other poster that said the tcs are moving into varosha in 3 months...you really need to folow the conversation before you make a comment...

And yes bigger nations have been making noises about Turkey, or you suffer from selective reading or something...You really need to get out more...

and please rolo show me where I blamed either side for the fighting...So again I recommend to you to start reading and comprehending as to what is written before making half cocked comments and assumptions...you think you are capable in doing that?...I forgot we are stuck in the 60s mode...

And Turkey will join the EU when there is a big fat profit to be made...Yeah the Europeans are stupid...Keep on dreaming...You don't think that it could be the other way around?...You have ministerial minutes to back up your claim?

Did you also read the part of what I said as to how to go about achieving unification...I take it, because you didn't comment, you must agree to what I said...

But honestly rolo WW2 has finished....If you don't believe me google it...

[rolo]

hey boomerang



so tell me one good thing your gc govt did.

by the way ww2 officially ended with the demolition of the berlin wall etc, maybe you should get out of your new car and learn something.

Ideally, nothing has changed since 74 or havent you noticed. Too busy driving around in your brand new car huh? whats changed? The problem wont be solved merely with the passage of time alone, nor the purchase of new cars, hence the timewarp.

enjoy any new car you purchase and all of 2006, but if you want a sollution remember 1960-74, that is what this war was about.

Where were you from 1960-74?

[boomerang]

hey rolo

the cold war finished with the fall of the Berlin wall...WW2 finished in 1945...you need to get out more...unless you have other facts, which in this case you are free to provide links...

Have you actually read what I wrote and how I said in building co-operation to achieve trust on the road to unification?..did that just go over your head or something?

Yes rolo I remember running to the dug outs at school every time the sirens went off...do you remember those days?

I tell you one good thing rolo...Before the borders opened your standard of living was half to what it is today...Now tell me why is this so?...why your standard of living was so low for 30 odd years...You don't think the GC had anything to do with it?...remember you are still embargoed as you were 30 odd years ago...how come?

But I strongly recommend you go back and read as to what I said about unification...then come and lecture me...I will give you a brief summary, because I asked you before for yur comment but you refuse to comment...Unification will not come through negotiations...It will only come through co operation on major projects, where the every day joe is involved and that will lead to trust...Provided Turkey lets you guys make any desicions...or you think one sunny day all Cypriots will wake up trusting each other?

Yes I really enjoy my 2006 car...Are you having problems maintaining your 1960 hillman?...you better get a new car...I am sure you will be able to get finance...just sell another block of land, that doesn't belong to you, to a multiple of unsuspected Brits...Just remember you are protected by the suspension of the acquis in the North...A win win situation buddy

[Piratis]

Remember 1960-74

The problem is not that we forgot any part of our history, the problem is that you remember ONLY that tiny part.

Why you do so? The answer is simple:

That tiny part of history is the only part of history during the 500 years that GCs and TCs coexist on this island that you can have something against Greek Cypriots. For the most part of the rest of history, before and after the tiny part you selectively choose to remember, the Turks have oppressed, enslaved and violated the human rights of Greek Cypriots, not to mention the 10s of thousands of GCs that died by the Turks during this time.

And yet you choose to remember only the tiny part that suits you so you can excuse even more crimes and even more illegalities.

I know that you will never voluntarily give up your lame excuses. If you have been the same for the last 500 years I don't think you will change now. Turkey is about to be kicked out of their EU accession process since they stubbornly insist on being stuck in the middle ages with practices such as ethnic cleansing, land grab and no respect to human rights.

If you think that continuing with lame excuses to violate international law and human rights is OK, then continue to do it. You and the 70 million Turks can only lose from such behavior but it will be too late for you when you will finally realize it.

[Natty]

Hey, you know it wasn't just the GC's who suffered under the Ottomans (well depending on the Sultan and those in charge in Cyprus...) it was the TC's also (I'm excluding the TC elite in that sentence..) as far as I can tell there were many occasions when there were joint uprisings against the harsh taxes, and the oppression people had to live with on a daily bases...

Peace!

[Jim]

I think most British Expats in the ROC totally disagreed with the High Courts decision this week; it happens week in and week out that these "Learned Judges" come to decisions that the general public cannot comprehend. I for one hope that one day soon justice is seen to be served and these people (whatever nationality) who have bought either knowingly or unknowingly stolen land; be it GC or TC get their comeuppance; ignorance is no defence.

Jim

[G.Man]

I think most British Expats in the ROC totally disagreed with the High Courts decision this week; it happens week in and week out that these "Learned Judges" come to decisions that the general public cannot comprehend. I for one hope that one day soon justice is seen to be served and these people (whatever nationality) who have bought either knowingly or unknowingly stolen land; be it GC or TC get their comeuppance; ignorance is no defence.

Jim

Jim that is soo true, I havent spoken to another brit expat in the ROC that agrees with what has happened with the Orams...

I hope the Orams live to see them lose the land and an end to the cyprus problem, and I have zero sympathy with the property "speculators" who have used GC misery to grab a slice of paradise...

They deserve to fall, and fall hard...

[miltiades]

The adverse publicity generated as a result of the Orams case will no doubt filter through and will make many potential buyers think twice.The Orams did not win the case as many on the forum seem to think. The British judge merely decided that he does not have the legal power to confiscate property belonging to the Orams in order to compensate the G/C owners for the land on which the Orams have their villa . How many naive English will seriously invest their money with so much insecurity . Having said this I believe that there are many greedy G/C developers who already have investments in place.
Human nature being such , people of all nationalities will always succumb to a bargain when they see one, pushing aside other considerations since greed is by far the most potent of all human emotions.
A solution will come and the day of reckoning will pounce up on those who , in order to satisfy their insatiable appetite for money , were prepared to ignore the consequences as well as the morals involved in building or buying land that was forcibly taken from its rightful owners .
Some have said that T/C land in the RoC has been usurped , Larnaca Airport was mentioned along with a number of other areas. Lets condemn any land grabbing whether it comes from T/C or G/Cs , the rightful owners will remain the only legal owners of their property on both sides.

[Pyrpolizer]

the rightful owners will remain the only legal owners of their property on both sides.

Indeed the highlighted part is something that our TC friends seem to be forgetting.
There is a considerable percentage of TCs who own land in the free areas and because they emigrated after or before 1974 got nothing from Denktash. Or others whose land today worths 10th of times of what they were given "on exchange".

I believe the next legal step will be against the TCs themselves. I believe they will be sued in RoC courts and have their properties in the free areas confescated / given to the plaintiffs.
I would personally do that in case someone would sell my property.

I believe Apostolides was wrong in sueing just the Orams. He should sue everyone concerned, the TC who sold, Turkey who is responsible for the occupied, the Orams, and the RoC. Each one for whatever part of responsibility to his own loss.