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[doglover]

Firstly, we're not talking about eating animals here. We're talking about animal welfare; the mistreatment of animals. Do people in Cyprus regard themselves as being part of Asia, or a part of Europe? The standards of animal welfare in Cyprus is the worst within the EEC. What does that tell you about Cyprus and animals? That it's right what they do here!? Nationalism, history, and being proud of your culture is one thing, as these are all qualities which strengthen Europe as a whole, but poisoning animals with rat poison (a nerve toxin) so that they die in excruciating agony, is NOT acceptable. Make your minds up. Do you want to be part of Europe and live by their standards and morals, or do you want the rest of Europe to see you as callous, heartless people?

"but you don't seem open minded enough to accept that it is perfectly normal if other people have somewhat different culture, beliefs and values than what you were taught and got used to."

What value is there in torturing animals!?!

Didn't you say in the 'Animal Cruelty' thread, that you think the poisoning of animals is morally wrong? You've confused me now.

[andri_cy]

Would you also include the non working natives "that make it difficult for everybody else". I wonder how many of the 1.7 million unemployed are immigrants. Perhaps you can tell us, since you know them to be difficult to everybody else.!!

Kikapu - we are seeing things from different perspectives and different locations and seem to be going around in circles. I'm getting a bit bored now so lets agree to disagree!

When it comes to immigrants, some of you people, like yourself, my friend Miltiades, and few others, can't seem to "see the forest through the trees". I'm not going to use the "race card" here because I don't know any of you personally to make that call. However, when ever there is security issues, unemployment issues, religion issues, overcrowding issues, the immigrants are the ones the fingers are pointed at. Why is that? They were allowed to come, to live and work in the West. They do not need to lose their identity to be welcomed. They work hard, very family oriented, make huge contributions to the nations they live in, and very often, they keep their mouths shut, when they have been discriminated by others, as not to create trouble, since they will be the victims of those troubles again. They adapt as much as they can to the traditions of the nation they live in. Often, it will take 2nd and 3rd generation of an immigrant to be fully integrated to the host nation, and still their skin colour will be seen as a foreigner. If the West doesn't want immigrant, then keep their doors shut. It is that simple. If you have an issue with immigrants, take it up with your Government, that you have elected to put there. They know how to run a country with immigrant labours, or else, you will be paying £10 pounds for your lousy Big Mac.

We have the same issues here in the US. People talk crap about the Mexicans all the time. How they take American jobs away from Americans etc etc. There are jobs for everyone that wants to work. No one is taking jobs away from Americans. The immigranmts come here to take jobs that no American wants to touch. If they will be working their butts off then they deserve to be taking some of the benefits since they pay taxes like you and me and everyone else. Like Kikapu said, cheap labor is a necessity of the West culture otherwise we wouldnt be able to afford the luxuries that we do.

[doglover]

Sorry, I forgot to address this part of your post:

"What some fail to distinguish is the line between a problem that a country has (Cyprus has many and criticism is welcomed) and a difference that a country has from the one they are used to."

So in your humble opinion, animal cruelty in Cyprus is not a problem? Of course it is... but do you welcome my criticism? Of course not... instead you say "British, if you don't like Cyprus, go home" in the instance that I am not even British. How is that welcoming any criticism?? How is that admitting that Cyprus has it's problems?

Am I here to insult the people of Cyprus, or do I genuinely care about the welfare of animals in the country I live and grew up in? I think you'll find it's the latter. I am not a bad person. I am not trying to make enemies. I am trying to HELP the defenseless cats and dogs that I care so much about. They do not deserve this kind of treatment.

[andri_cy]

Wow i wonder if i have something to do with this... My post saying I HATE CYPRUS!!! ;]

To be honest i like it here (sometimes) but i still miss home unfortunately it not so simple to just go back. Many people are here for work or education or whatever. Going back i would have to start again, looking for work, finding a house or to rent - re-adapting!

Like my mates say, you get used to it...

I think it does have to do something with your post. I know it is hard for anyone to move to a foreign country. I also know that nowhere is perfect let alone Cyprus-bad drivers, xenophobic people, closed-mindedness. Normal whining, I think is not the point here. The truth is, you made a decision to go to Cyprus and maybe you sold everything you owned and you cannot go back. That makes you hate Cyprus in a way. It is understandable. BUT, you(and everyone that has made a rush decision to move without doing too much research and abandoned everything behind and cannot go back) have to give yourself some credit for that action and take the responsibility for it.
UE, I know I have given you a hard time sometimes as far as you complaining about Cyprus. Trust me I know that there are a lot of issues-especially with animals. But there has to be something else that is keeping you there since you said its not cause its stuck. I think people just need to hear what you think is good sometimes because you come across as very displeased with EVERYTHING which I really don't think is accurate.
I had to move to a foreign country also and I am not going to say I like everything about it. That would be a lie. But I did make a great effort to-as much as I can-integrate with the rest of the people here. You have to when you move to a different place. That's the way the world turns... Anyway, this post want aiming at making anyone mad, so if I made you mad I am sorry. A cold shower should help.

[Piratis]

doglover, we had this discussion before. There is no country were "animal welfare" exists. Animals are used by humans in all countries and indeed many of those animals die in agony.

Maybe some countries protect a few kinds of animals but thats about it. If you call such thing "animal welfare" and the opposite "animal cruelty" it is very misleading.

[doglover]

Indeed.

[andri_cy]

Sorry, I forgot to address this part of your post:

"What some fail to distinguish is the line between a problem that a country has (Cyprus has many and criticism is welcomed) and a difference that a country has from the one they are used to."

So in your humble opinion, animal cruelty in Cyprus is not a problem? Of course it is... but do you welcome my criticism? Of course not... instead you say "British, if you don't like Cyprus, go home" in the instance that I am not even British. How is that welcoming any criticism?? How is that admitting that Cyprus has it's problems?

Am I here to insult the people of Cyprus, or do I genuinely care about the welfare of animals in the country I live and grew up in? I think you'll find it's the latter. I am not a bad person. I am not trying to make enemies. I am trying to HELP the defenseless cats and dogs that I care so much about. They do not deserve this kind of treatment.

Doglover, we know you are not a bad person. Animal lovers usually aren't. Did someone insinuate that you were?

[unique_earthling]

This is something i see on a regular basis, people get given puppies as toys for their kids, they put a collar on the poor little mite, then the children torment the life out of it, and the creature grows for a couple of months, then its disgarded, kids have got fed up with it... and then it is found by us with the collar inbedded in its neck as it has not been adjusted as it grows. This is not the worst case, some have the collar so imbedded it has become part of their skin and neck... This little soul was improving by the time i took this..

[Snad]

UE

OMG this is outrageous, how can people treat defenceless animals in such a manner?

Last night we noticed a little puppy wandering around, it could not have been more than 10 weeks old. It had on a collar, so obviously belonged to someone. We thought it cam from a house 3 doors away but there was no one in. I took it to the neighbours house and she looked after it, until, hopefully, the owner came home.

When will some people in Cyprus realise that animals are not play things, for them to discard when they are fed up with it.

[theresa]

Here in the North dogs and cats can be neutered for nothing at certain vets. The problem is that many people dont like the idea of their pet being neutered - especially if they are a nice looking male. They then keep perhaps one puppy and discard the rest. I was asked several times by people if they could breed from my dog ( giant schnauzer) and were quite horrified when I said hes neutered!! The thought of any offspring of my big black boy being ill-treated made me feel sick. Do they offer free neutering in the South? I wonder if it would work better than it does here? Tess