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[Niki]

Before those immigrants came to England, the British first paid a visit to them, exploiting their natural resources and claiming their land. It's one of the reasons immigrants don't feel grateful at all..

Possibly - but I really don't think that the illegal immigrants who enter the UK hidden in a lorry are thinking "I'll get my own back by exploiting the UK for what they did xx hundreds of years ago". They see the social security system and the laid back attitude of the immigration services and think "I'll have some of that".

[Kikapu]

However, the UK political system has caused each culture to remain at odds with each other causing conflicts and problems, it also encourages racism between the cultures. The worst racism we have in the UK is between the ethnic minorities - eg Asians and Africans.

When the immigrants find themselves not only separated ethnically from their host nations people, they are also separated by a large number, economically also. They can see and feel, that all they will ever accomplish by being in their new country, is to serve those who are well off. Naturally, this creates hate and tension along ethnic lines. So there is no incentive to do anything more than to just get by and get all you can from the government.

[alexISS]

Possibly - but I really don't think that the illegal immigrants who enter the UK hidden in a lorry are thinking "I'll get my own back by exploiting the UK for what they did xx hundreds of years ago". They see the social security system and the laid back attitude of the immigration services and think "I'll have some of that".

A nation's collective memory can be quite strong and yes, many immigrants do enter the UK thinking that the British owe them...

[Niki]

When the immigrants find themselves not only separated ethnically from their host nations people, they are also separated by a large number, economically also. They can see and feel, that all they will ever accomplish by being in their new country, is to serve those who are well off. Naturally, this creates hate and tension along ethnic lines. So there is no incentive to do anything more than to just get by and get all you can from the government.

That is generalising and just so not true. If a person from any background is willing to work hard the opportunities are there for the taking. The UK runs a non-discimination policy that means that it is illegal for employers, colleges etc to be racist.

In fact many colleges and companies have to fulfill a certain quota of ethnic minority placements. Middle class white people are discriminated against.

Many of my friends and people I was at college with are from different cultural backgrounds and had the same opportunities as me and have done very well for themselves. They were sensible enough to work with the culture not against it.

[Kikapu]

[That is generalising and just so not true. If a person from any background is willing to work hard the opportunities are there for the taking. The UK runs a non-discimination policy that means that it is illegal for employers, colleges etc to be racist.

In fact many colleges and companies have to fulfill a certain quota of ethnic minority placements. Middle class white people are discriminated against.

Many of my friends and people I was at college with are from different cultural backgrounds and had the same opportunities as me and have done very well for themselves. They were sensible enough to work with the culture not against it.

"If you work hard enough you will make it" is nothing more than a joke. There are people working two or three jobs, 16 hours a day sometimes, and being away from their families, just to make enough for rent and food. Of course, there those who do make it, but I doubt if most will ever get into various positions or the pay, that is "reserved" for the host nations citizens. This is not just in the UK, I'm talking about in general of the Western World.

[Niki]

"If you work hard enough you will make it" is nothing more than a joke. There are people working two or three jobs, 16 hours a day sometimes, and being away from their families, just to make enough for rent and food. Of course, there those who do make it, but I doubt if most will ever get into various positions or the pay, that is "reserved" for the host nations citizens. This is not just in the UK, I'm talking about in general of the Western World.

Yes - working hard doesn't necessarily mean financial success but this is the same for any culture from any background - not just immigrants.

However, they earn more respect than just expecting the taxpayers to fund their laziness and there are many 'immigrants' who have been very successful. How did they make it if the better jobs were reserved for the host nation?

The problem is that the 'west' and in particular the UK who have a more relaxed policy than France for example sees more and more immigrants coming into the county who do not work and at some point the tax from people working will not be enough to cope with having to pay for the increasing number of non - working immigrants.

[G.Man]

Before those immigrants came to England, the British first paid a visit to them, exploiting their natural resources and claiming their land. It's one of the reasons immigrants don't feel grateful at all..

So brits exploited these lands, gave nothing to them, and didnt even offer them british citizenship in return?

We never built any infrastructure, railways, buildings or anything that was given to the countries after the british left..

[Kikapu]

[We never built any infrastructure, railways, buildings or anything that was given to the countries after the british left..:

Were they built for the purpose to benefit the locals, or to serve the purpose of those who were occupying the country.?? Also, who gave their sweat and blood to build all the things that you mentioned.?? Did they also give them to the locals, or were they just discarded, since they could not take it with them.???

[G.Man]

Ah right, when you ship locomotives, carriages, steel etc you cant move it back again i forgot...

[alexISS]

So brits exploited these lands, gave nothing to them, and didnt even offer them british citizenship in return?

We never built any infrastructure, railways, buildings or anything that was given to the countries after the british left..

You were uninvited and unwanted. The infrastructure was built by the locals "employed" by the british for pennies. And they are returning the favor by building mosques in England anyway