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[turkcyp]

I will leave the legal/illegal part out. The TRNC is illegal itself, so there is no point of even discussing about "TRNC work permits", "TRNC citizenships" and such.

Now, coming to the "realities" of turkcyp.
1) If somebody is married to a TC then he/she can get the citizenship.
2) A number from the rest can get the citizenship (say 20-25 thousands). Who exactly will be this 20-25 thousands should be decided on a case by case basis by a bicommunal committee.

3)Tourists, students, workers etc from Turkey can come on a temporary visa like all other foreigners.

The settlers that will leave should be compensated by Turkey, and this should be part of the agreed solution.

Are you sure Piratis. You are not suggesting anything other than Annan Plan, but with a revision on the number of people allowed to stay (I believe from 40000 to 20-25000, not sure though).

Because if this is the case then about the settlers we are more close then you might think.

[Piratis]

You are not suggesting anything other than Annan Plan

I don't think this is the case. Here is a deeper analysis of the Annan plan on this matter by MicAtCyp some time ago:

Citizenship: Handled automatically to everyone who is decendant of a Cypriot according to the records of 1963.
Citizenship by Naturalisation:Given to everybody who lived here for more than 9 years and he is now over 18
Citizenship by fascilitated Naturalisation:Given to everybody who is a spouce or child of someone who has or gets citizenship.
So according to these 2 clauses every settler who came here 9 years ago together with his children and spouce/s STAYS!
Then we go to the famous clause of the 45,000.
This list should include those who are here for more than 7 years. Linked with the other 2 clauses though it actually refers to the settlers having 7-9 years of stay. Can you now understand why Talat could not fill up that list to 45,000 names no matter how hard he tried? He included everybody who is here for 7-9 years and then some of the others who are more than 9 years but do not fullfil the required criteria, and thats it!

In the end it may seem that according to the Anan plan all those who don't fullfil the criterion of 9+ years plus those 45,000 of the list would leave. Alas, this is not so! Because it has another clause that says everybody can apply for citizenship if he explains the reasons.In this respect the regime in the North made sure to arrange this matter by registering all of them as decendants of TCs!There were cases that more than 50 settlers were registereds having the same paternal address in Nicosia as decendents of a dead TC!

[turkcyp]

I have never seen this post of MicAtCyp before, but I would like to make comments about it.

1) Citizenship: Handled automatically to everyone who is decendant of a Cypriot according to the records of 1963.
2) Citizenship by Naturalisation:Given to everybody who lived here for more than 9 years and he is now over 18
3) Citizenship by fascilitated Naturalisation:Given to everybody who is a spouce or child of someone who has or gets citizenship.
So according to these 2 clauses every settler who came here 9 years ago together with his children and spouce/s STAYS!
Then we go to the famous clause of the 45,000.
This list should include those who are here for more than 7 years. Linked with the other 2 clauses though it actually refers to the settlers having 7-9 years of stay. Can you now understand why Talat could not fill up that list to 45,000 names no matter how hard he tried? He included everybody who is here for 7-9 years and then some of the others who are more than 9 years but do not fullfil the required criteria, and thats it!

In the end it may seem that according to the Anan plan all those who don't fullfil the criterion of 9+ years plus those 45,000 of the list would leave. Alas, this is not so! Because it has another clause that says everybody can apply for citizenship if he explains the reasons.In this respect the regime in the North made sure to arrange this matter by registering all of them as decendants of TCs!There were cases that more than 50 settlers were registereds having the same paternal address in Nicosia as decendents of a dead TC!

First and third points are easily understanable. I mean the firstpoit relates to TCs, and the third point is a generally accepted norm in many countries. For example if your mom or dad is US citizen, then you are automatically US citizen, irregadless of where you are born. All it needs is to proove that that kid is your own kid, and application.

I can see how GCs may have a problem with second point. If GCs are complainig that 9 years is to little this can be increased. Or the number 45000 can be decreased.

But saying that all the settlers should go does not seem feasible to me in the real world of politics.

[efe]

you got some comparisons wrong. you can not compare being a cypriot to being american. in the end, americans have the same language, culture, religion. yes it is based on immigration but it is a melting pot.

you can compare cypriots to canadians. majority of them are english speaking, and in the province of quebec, there are french speaking canadians.

obviously, french speaking canadians call themselves "French Canadians" and english speaking ones call themselves "English Canadians" and they are living happily after. (Yes there has been some referandums about splitting etc but I find it normal)

Canada is also an immigrant based country. But immigrants who live in English-Canadian territory (or should I call it American-Canadian? ) become English Canadians vice versa.

So it is very normal to call a turkish speaking cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, or a greek speaking cypriot, Greek Cypriot.

This is not a problem for you guys to solve.