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Pyrpolizer

We obstruct Turkeys EU road by October- November. The Turkish Government stays inactive, negotiations with EU freeze, and nothing gets moving. C2 happens thus: nothing happens in Turkey, no major influnce on its economy, and carries on like before

I agree with C2 nothing will change.

[Kifeas]

I agree Turkey will never become a full member of the EU. As boomerang said the main reason is its size. I agree with you she will end with a special relation.

I totally disagree with such an unsubstantiated, unjustified and absolutist view!

Turkey will never become a full member of the EU, without a solution to the Cyprus problem and a subsequent end of its illegal occupation. To put it more accurately, Turkey will never be left to indefinitely continue its EU accession process, without a solution to the Cyprus problem, since final accession is placed at some 10-15 years from now, and in such a case there can be no material basis for re-unification after so many years.

However, to say that if the above obstacles are removed with a solution, that Turkey will anyway never be allowed to accede the EU, is a far fetched, unsubstantiated an unjustified view. A Turkey that will promptly do all the necessary reforms in all the grounds and levels that are required, will most definatelly make itself look much different and appealing in the eyes of all reluctant and skeptical Europeans, than what it currently looks like, and in such a case, its eventual final accession may very well end up been much easier than what we currently assume or imagine. One has to take into consideration that Turkey, after doing all the reforms, will also be able to offer substantially to the EU as well, and not just to receive from it.

[Pyrpolizer]

VP, by agreeing with C2 you actually agree we should knock off Turkeys EU road right?




Why what do you personally have to gain. Let me guess...

[Pyrpolizer]

If this was an available choice as I said before the GCs would have used this many years ago. If they have this opportunity in the future and feel it is the desired method by which to solve the Cyprus issue feel to do your worst but dont expect us to sit back and surrender we will fight back with just as much determination as yourselves.

Will it bring the kind of "peace" you defined yes or no?

Dont you have that situation in the south?

No! Read the definition.

we do in the north.

Ditto.

As for fearing Kifeas as an individual I dont really care if he exists or not …

It seems you do care for if he exists or not even as individual - - ->

They are dangerous individuals to be avoided at all costs.

[Pyrpolizer]

I totally disagree with such an unsubstantiated, unjustified and absolutist view!

Cyprus problem solved or not Turkey will never become a full EU member for a million and 1 reasons. The 1000001st reason is because it is a muslim Country. You figure out the remaining million reasons…

[Kifeas]

I totally disagree with such an unsubstantiated, unjustified and absolutist view!

Cyprus problem solved or not Turkey will never become a full EU member for a million and 1 reasons. The 1000001st reason is because it is a muslim Country. You figure out the remaining million reasons…

I disagree with this view. You have to imagine a substantially different Turkey after 15 years, if it does all the necessary reforms, both on paper but more importatly also in practice. Being a Muslim country, is not by itself an unsurpassed obstacle, provided of cource that it doesn't for any reason fall into islamic foundamentalism. Already, 17 million Europeans have no problem visiting it every year for holidays.

[Natty]

Hey, I'm not very clued up on Turkey's EU accession, but If (and I could be wrong), one of the reasons why half of Cyprus is occupied is because Turkey wants to protect the South (of Turkey), then surely If they got into the EU, they wouldn't need Northern Cyprus anymore....(if that makes any sense...)

[Pyrpolizer]

Kifeas,

Turkey is not only Constantinople/Instanbul and Smyrni/izimr. It is also the south Eastern areas who status is more or less like Bagladesh, it will not change as you hope, not in a lifetime if you prefer.Later perhaps. Jeez even the Turks themselves don't think they will ever become European members!!

Regardless this is a matter of opinion.For the purpose of this discussion we have to account for all possibilities. If I agree with Kikapu on what the final status of Turkey will be and disagree with you is irrelevant.


My point is either ending up with a full membership status or special relation status her road is the same. And it is this ROAD we have to exploit. I personally care less if finally Turkey makes it to full membership or special relation.

[Pyrpolizer]

Elgins report was sumbitted today at the EU. Absolutely no progress of Turkey on everything!!! Not only on the Cyprus issue but on EVERYTHING. And you tell me kifeas she will enter in 10-15 years? Not even 35 are enough…..

[Kikapu]

Pyrpolizer and Kifeas,

The only reason I asked Pyrpolizer to answer my question and not Kifeas, is that I knew Kifeas will give me far more than I had asked for, which is always welcomed of course. As it happens, Pyrpolizer has also gave more than he needed to, but he did cover all the points. Between the both of you, there were no stones left unturned. I'm glad I only asked just one of you to answer, and not both, because I'll still be reading your responses.!!!!!!

I agree with your assessments in all the angles and possibilities of outcomes, depending which road Turkey takes towards EU. However, Turkey may not have the choice to choose which road she can take, but rather it may be chosen for her by others, that may not even include Cyprus. In order to find out in 10-15 years what the fate of Cyprus is going to be, one way or the other, Cyprus may help herself to push Turkeys accession into EU as fast as possible, to win some years, if you will, so that, at the end of the line, it will come to just one more thing left for Turkey to do, before becoming a EU member, and that would be to "turn the keys in" on Northern part of Cyprus to Cypriots. In other words, sooner Turkey is given the choice to "trade" Cyprus for EU, the better for Cyprus and all Cypriots. As Kifeas pointed out, if it takes another 15 years to resolve Turkeys future with the EU, it may be already to late for a Unification.

You guys are on form tonight with your answers.