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[Pyrpolizer]

I said that he ought to have negotiated the plan constructively and in good faith to make as many improvements possible no matter If the plan would have been rejected! The plan got worst and the fact that it got worst it is because he failed to do proper negotiations.

Negotiate with who man???
Are you telling me you don’t know there have been absolutely NO NEGOTIATIONS either in Nicosia or at Burgenstock between the 2 sides? Simply they were telling the UN and the UN was instructed by the Anglo-American how to cut and sew.

De Soto was a paid up crook, but we could not go publicly against the UN cause we need them.

[michalis5354]

He should have set his position from the begining rather fooling everyone at negoatiation appearing that he was satisfied and rejecting the plan afterwards. This is the reason I said he was wrong and he has contributed towards the APlan5 that was far different than the initial plans.

This belongs to the past but what is important now it is his position now!

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer

Imo the Anan Plan was practically impossible to succeed. If you look at it financially the state could not even sustain itself and the huge Government structure. Not a single penny would be left for relocation projects so that some GCs would return. In the end we would be begging to split just to survive.

It was designed to fail, and was designed to be ready to recognise two separate states after its failure.

Thats what you were fed and you took it plum line and sinker, what have you got to replace it in 3 years? Nothing.

Viewpoint never explained us what’s the use of a Central Bank having branches in each CS. Are we Germany here or USA where the Central Bank needs branches 1000 miles away???

The branches were a way of conducting the supervisory role of the central bank over the banks in the north only for a transitional period (6months to 1 year) which would be determined by the central bank board where GCs also had influence. If it was agreed that the branches were no longer necessary they would be closed. The only reason it was made branches because the GCs technocrats felt they to should have the opportunity to function through a branch if necessary. This issue was also backed by the EU and UN representatives. So its no as if GCs did not have any input into the Annan plan in fact it was quite the opposite, the objected and persuaded EU and UN representatives to accept many of their points as well.

VP will you ever stop this? Kifeas, Piratis and anyone else who writes here is just an average frustrated Cypriot just like you! We are all victims of circumstances, nobody is going to hurt you or anyone else. Perhaps shout a little -out of frustration- and that’s all.

These people are prime examples of why we will never see reunificaiton in our lifetime. They are dangerous and ready for war promoting that this is the only way to get back what they lost due to no fault of their own. They are dangerous individuals to be avoided at all costs.

I totally disagree with you that the reason for not reaching a solution so far is because of the "kind of people" you try to label Kifeas, Piratis etc.. In fact if you sincerely search your own heart, you will discover that the reason we did not reach a solution so far is because of some people seemingly very polite, very civil, wearing ties and black suits. Hope you understand me….

Oh, btw Denktash was wrong. Cypriots are not donkies. They are lambs. Stupid, innocent, calm, sleepy, moving with the pack lambs, very good food for the wolves.

You really dont know your own people and how they still harbour the venom of vengence for what happened in 1974. Kifeas and Piratis are prime examples when challenged they spit out their venom.

[Bananiot]

Honourable (my foot) Papadopoulos promised us a European solution if we voted (loudly) against the plan. Strangely no one is asking him to fulfill his promise. At the same time we are watching bewilderly the struggle for the divide of the loot by the coalition parties. In the meantime the north is cemented with tonnes of cement but the coalition has more important matters to think about.

[Pyrpolizer]

As soon as the President of the Republic of Cyprus Honourable Mr Tassos Papadopoulos finds a solution negotiating with the wall he will present it to you. What he said there is a very fast way to reach a "solution" in quotation marks which means our doom. Accept the Anan Plan.

As for your complains about the illegalities of the occupying regime why don’t you go there and shout at them "pallikari tis fatzis jai bash agonisti mou" ?( =brave man of the lentils and leader of the ghost fighters)

[Pyrpolizer]

You really dont know your own people and how they still harbour the venom of vengence for what happened in 1974. Kifeas and Piratis are prime examples when challenged they spit out their venom.

Yeah right! And you know my people better than me. Please stop be provoking anf inflaming. It doesn’t help, and it leads to wrong conclussions.

[Viewpoint]

You really dont know your own people and how they still harbour the venom of vengence for what happened in 1974. Kifeas and Piratis are prime examples when challenged they spit out their venom.

Yeah right! And you know my people better than me. Please stop be provoking anf inflaming. It doesn’t help, and it leads to wrong conclussions.

or even the right conclusions is that what you are afraid of?

[boomerang]

These people are prime examples of why we will never see reunificaiton in our lifetime. They are dangerous and ready for war promoting that this is the only way to get back what they lost due to no fault of their own. They are dangerous individuals to be avoided at all costs.

Viewpoint the same can be argued about the other side...Aren't you safe guarding the spoils of war via the use of force to this very day?

So you use force to safe guard your spoils via the use of force and you expect people to to accept it?...and thats ok with you?...but not the other way around?

So my friend either a solution is found that will satisfy these people, because the way I see it they ain't going to forget, or one sunny day there will be a rebellion...

Kifeas is correct what he is saying to you...being a realist in my opinion...Safeguarding spoils of war via force, it can only mean one day you relinguish them via the use of force...simple as that...

Personnaly I would rather see a solution based on human rights and shove the minority rights where the sun don't shine...

Oh and I do not condone the use of force in any way, shape or form, but you must be realistic about it...

Cypriots want peace?...start being reasonable about it...

[Viewpoint]

boomerang

Viewpoint the same can be argued about the other side...Aren't you safe guarding the spoils of war via the use of force to this very day?

You are right about people on our side, we to have hardliners. But arent you forgetting the current situation (the spoils of war as you put it) is not just the product of what TCs did back in history. The fact that we have not found a solution is again not only the TCs fault the GCs have a lot to answer for as well.

So you use force to safe guard your spoils via the use of force and you expect people to to accept it?...and thats ok with you?...but not the other way around?

Although I hate war and never feel its a way to solve anything it Im 101% certain if GCs had the power to blow us into oblivion they would not hesitate for one second in using it. Is is this force that you refer to that has brought the island 32 years of peaceful existence, is this good or bad. What would the alternative have been? second class citizenship under GC rule or even non existence of TCs in Cyprus like the Turks in Crete.

So my friend either a solution is found that will satisfy these people, because the way I see it they ain't going to forget, or one sunny day there will be a rebellion...

If the GCs have that option sometime in the future I have always stated to Kifeas do you worst but dont expect us to sit back and surrender we to will fight back with everything we have but if it doesnt go your way dont come crying to us but we didnt mean you any harm and it was someone elses fault, you forced us to bomb and kill you like you do today.

Kifeas is correct what he is saying to you...being a realist in my opinion...Safeguarding spoils of war via force, it can only mean one day you relinguish them via the use of force...simple as that...

Kifeas is a war monger who could execute anyone with an opinion that differs from his, he himself declared he is preparing himself for war by going to the gym and taking shooting lessons so that he can kill TCs. He is only driven by the fact that he has lost millions of Cyprus pounds it has nothing to do with life which to me and many other people is far more important than any piece of land.

Personnaly I would rather see a solution based on human rights and shove the minority rights where the sun don't shine...

human rights and democracy we are all for but who will administer them is the important question, that is where the balance has to be struck.

Oh and I do not condone the use of force in any way, shape or form, but you must be realistic about it...

If war is the only way GCs feel they can force a solution then we will fight back as hard as we can and dont expect anyone to stop and count fatalities as Piratis mentality always argues you killed more so you are more guilty.

Cypriots want peace?...start being reasonable about it...

Tcs are the most peace loving people you can ever hope to find yet GCs have not developed any mechanism where they can gain TCs trust and understanding, they are like bulls in china shop becuase they sit back and feel we are recognized so TCs will someday tow the line. Well let me tell you something for free they will have a bloody long wait.

[Pyrpolizer]

Although I hate war and never feel its a way to solve anything it Im 101% certain if GCs had the power to blow us into oblivion they would not hesitate for one second in using it. Is is this force that you refer to that has brought the island 32 years of peaceful existence,

Cut the crap VP. You call the results of war "peace"????

Kifeas is a war monger who could execute anyone with an opinion that differs from his, he himself declared he is preparing himself for war by going to the gym and taking shooting lessons so that he can kill TCs.

Did it ever pass through your mind that kifeas was actually trying to measure the degree of your ignarance and or foolishness and or cowardiness? Preparing himself at the gym????

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Tsk…..

If someone would tell me such a thing a would reply thus:

Listen, I don’t go to the gym, neither take shooting lessons. In fact I weigh 150 Kg and can hardly run. But I know how to sit inside a tank, and fire a 105 mm missile, and turn an area of 100X100 into dust, and if you happen to be in that area, turn the muscles you made in the gym into mince meat, and your rifle into melted candle"

My VP, my poor VP, Kifeas is playing you like a toy in his fingers.