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[Sotos]

Turkey, does not want in the EU any longer. For the first time in a decaade the majority of Turks would prefer to stay out of the EU.

osa den ftanei i alepou ta kanei kremastaria. Not sure how to translate it but it is a saying about how Turks now they see that they can not get in EU they say that they don't want EU.

[Pyrpolizer]

Surely name it what you will the Annan plan plays a vital role as it is the basis for any new negotiations. Why redo everything that we have already agreed? we shoudl concentrate on what we do not agree on and not go over covered ground which would be a waste of everyone time.

Can you tell me something we agreed on the Anan Plan?
As far as I know we agreed on nothing concerning the major issues of the Cyprob.
In any case suppose there was already agreement on some minor issues of the AP. What’s the problem of setting up the committees your side placing those points down so that we reconfirm them and carry on forward?

What does your side say about the failure to even set up those committees????

I believe Turkey will crash her EU road very soon. I am not worrying on her persuing other paths, because there are no other paths. She will just wonder around for some years and then either forced back OR…. Leave this "OR" to those making decisions. I personally believe the "OR" will finally apply, which will be even more beneficial to us than Turkey entering the EU in the very distant future.
I am not underestimating Turkey. Turkey is no different than what Iran and Iraq were in the past.

[Pyrpolizer]

osa den ftanei i alepou ta kanei kremastaria.

He,he,he.
It’s the Aesopos story of thre fox that couldn’t reach the grapes no matter how high she tried to jump. At the end she gave up saying: What the hell, they are not matured anyway

[Viewpoint]

Surely name it what you will the Annan plan plays a vital role as it is the basis for any new negotiations. Why redo everything that we have already agreed? we shoudl concentrate on what we do not agree on and not go over covered ground which would be a waste of everyone time.

Can you tell me something we agreed on the Anan Plan?
As far as I know we agreed on nothing concerning the major issues of the Cyprob.
In any case suppose there was already agreement on some minor issues of the AP. What’s the problem of setting up the committees your side placing those points down so that we reconfirm them and carry on forward?

What does your side say about the failure to even set up those committees????

I believe Turkey will crash her EU road very soon. I am not worrying on her persuing other paths, because there are no other paths. She will just wonder around for some years and then either forced back OR…. Leave this "OR" to those making decisions. I personally believe the "OR" will finally apply, which will be even more beneficial to us than Turkey entering the EU in the very distant future.
I am not underestimating Turkey. Turkey is no different than what Iran and Iraq were in the past.

There is nothing wrong with the structure of the AP which is a BBF, whats the use going over covered ground allowing both sides the opportunity to rehash issues which do not need to be addressed they can pay more attention to those areas where we disagree or needs fine tuning. One issue we agreed on was the Central Bank issues and usage of the Cyprus Pound. Another issue we agreed on was the number of settlers that could remain (45.000) If you allow our politicians the chance to readdress they will delay even further. If the name is the problem then change it to the Papadop plan thats not important.

Turkey turning its back on the EU will only make your EU leverage useless but end your hopes of any settlement, how will you pressurise Turkey to compromise? she will have no incentive and you will have no solution. If you cannot see this then you are blind and need to realign your thoughts, because if you feel you can get more out of Turkey by ending her EU hopes then you better tell your leader as he appears to be holding out for the EU leverage game which will become nonexistent if Turkey is told to walk.

Im sure you hate to hear this but Turkey is one of the most rapidly developing countries in the world, it has the 16/17th largest economy with plentiful natural resources to feed and support itself. You have to accept that the EU would prefer a modern and reliable ally in Turkey rather than a rejected and distanced threat right on its borders. You should also in 2006 consider making an ally of Turkey rather than maintaining your stance that she is your enemy, never forget that on the off chance that Turkey ever got in the EU she would be the 2nd largest country with a lot of weight which Im sure you would rather have on your side rather than against you.

[miltiades]

Pyrpolizer said:
""It’s the Aesopos story of thre fox that couldn’t reach the grapes no matter how high she tried to jump. At the end she gave up saying: What the hell, they are not matured anyway ""

We call it here in the UK SOUR GRAPES !

Can I say PR , You are making many constructive postings and I follow your views .
In another thread dealing with the arrests of the G/C journalists you stated that had a similar arrest taken place in the RoC area the people , media etc would have objected ferociously.
Let us not forget that our Cypriot brothers in the North are ruled predominantly by the army , we are not under the jurisdiction of the army in the Roc.
I have not visited the occupied part mainly on one principle , the need to go through passport control, if however I felt that as a gesture of my commitment to one unified Cyprus a visit to some inter-communal event might necessitate a temporary abandonment of the principle mentioned above. For the sake of a just solution in our troubled island all must consider some sacrifices at some time. As a Greek Cypriot leaving in the UK , but one who has retained the strongest of bonds with my birth country over the years , find the separation of our communities a tragedy that must be reversed . I have mentioned many times on this forum that in view of the business I'm in , I interact almost daily with T/Cs as well as and to a lesser extend G/Cs.Im known for expressing my views regardless and have , over the years , made many friends , respectable family people with the same needs and aspirations as all Cypriots have. Fathers who work hard to educate their children , provide a comfortable life for them , marry their daughters off and generally look after their families , a common trait in our Cypriot culture.
Believe my dear friend , they , our T/C compatriots , want exactly what we want . They frown upon injustices and criticize the wrong doers just as much as we do. Lets hope we get there.

[Pyrpolizer]

Miltiades,

Please read my last post in the thread called "boycott". I know what situation the TC brothers live in. I just try to awake them, and stick united with us against such practices.

I share the same views as you regarding the TCs. In fact if I would not spot extreme kindness in many of them, I would never have managed to get over my schock when I visited my hometown.

[Viewpoint]

Please tell us all what your shock was??

[EUropean666]

well the anna plan could be a basis. Many media tried to disort the real essence of Anna plan. It has many deficits, like the access on some areas and the issue of property but in the long run, withsome improvements, it can become the basis of a solution.

[bg_turk]

osa den ftanei i alepou ta kanei kremastaria. Not sure how to translate it but it is a saying about how Turks now they see that they can not get in EU they say that they don't want EU.

yup, when the fox cannot reach the grapes, she think the grapes are too sour to eat. But in the case of Turkey it is not only the inability to reach the grape, but the fact that some forces in the EU increase the height everytime she comes close to reaching them. So naturally there is a dissillusionment amomnt Turks. Sociological studies indicate that Turks no longer want to be part of the EU.

[Ascot]

Where does that leave the Cyprus issue? many GCs do not realize that it will leave the south up the river without a paddle. Their blindness in seeking revenge against Turkey will ensure they cut off their nose despite their face.

For once the Cyprus Government should stand firm.
After all Turkey has got to adhere to what she undertaken to implement.
She must "keep the promises she has given to EU member states"
The whole European Union does not depend on Turkey.