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[miltiades]

There are many such Cypriots Pyrpolizer , they are the silent majority , the voices that give all Cypriots hope for the future, Sadik is one hell of guy a true Cypriot with whom I share so much not least the love that he has for Cyprus. Believe me the vast majority of our T/C brothers are just like Sadik . Honourable decent Cypriots.

[Pyrpolizer]

No one mentions the large areas of TC land in the south "legimately stolen" and used by the GCadminsitration for their use do they?

Questions:
1.Large areas:Of what proportion compared to what your side grabbed. Of what value compared to what your side grabbed?
2."Legitamately stolen". How would you like your properties be treated? Given for points of braveness to our fighters, and to settlers and them to sell them to foreigners or kept under the Guardian of the Republic of Cyprus, securing they ALWAYS belong to you and can be returned to you?
3. For their use: whose use? The state itself? Or the thousands of GC refugees your side created?

No ofcourse not as they are entitled to use it to build airports, housing for their refugees, hotels in Paphos or flood it to create reservoirs all of it legally for the public good and conveniently on land abandoned by the TC

4.Built airports:What proportion of the Larnaca airport is built on TC land, what proportion on GC land and what on State land?
5. Housing for refugees:Same question as above.
6. Hotels in Paphos:You must be joking.Which hotel?
7. water reservoir:Do you know the project called Southern conveyor? Do you know how many rivers it includes and how many square meters it covers. Do you know at the edge of the major damn of this project there was also a tiny GC village. Do you know how many people lived in that tiny village, how many in the tiny TC village on the other edge and what the condition of the houses of those two tiny villages was? Do you know the whole project costed billions, and there was only one position possible for the main reservoir?
8. Land abandoned by the TCs used for public good:Do you know what proportion of TC land was expropriated for public projects and what proportion of GC land was expropriated for public projects from 1974 until today?

I am sorry but I bet you don’t know not even one answer to all the above questions. Please do yourself a favor and stop listening to vague propaganda. And don’t pay any attention to crooks from Scotland or any other place in the UK who only pop in threads like "the Orams case" and "boycotts". This is all that matters to them and given the chance they would not only screw us, but both us and you together.
We don’t need such "supporters".

[Viewpoint]

No one mentions the large areas of TC land in the south "legimately stolen" and used by the GCadminsitration for their use do they?

Questions:
1.Large areas:Of what proportion compared to what your side grabbed. Of what value compared to what your side grabbed?
2."Legitamately stolen". How would you like your properties be treated? Given for points of braveness to our fighters, and to settlers and them to sell them to foreigners or kept under the Guardian of the Republic of Cyprus, securing they ALWAYS belong to you and can be returned to you?
3. For their use: whose use? The state itself? Or the thousands of GC refugees your side created?

No ofcourse not as they are entitled to use it to build airports, housing for their refugees, hotels in Paphos or flood it to create reservoirs all of it legally for the public good and conveniently on land abandoned by the TC

4.Built airports:What proportion of the Larnaca airport is built on TC land, what proportion on GC land and what on State land?
5. Housing for refugees:Same question as above.
6. Hotels in Paphos:You must be joking.Which hotel?
7. water reservoir:Do you know the project called Southern conveyor? Do you know how many rivers it includes and how many square meters it covers. Do you know at the edge of the major damn of this project there was also a tiny GC village. Do you know how many people lived in that tiny village, how many in the tiny TC village on the other edge and what the condition of the houses of those two tiny villages was? Do you know the whole project costed billions, and there was only one position possible for the main reservoir?
8. Land abandoned by the TCs used for public good:Do you know what proportion of TC land was expropriated for public projects and what proportion of GC land was expropriated for public projects from 1974 until today?

I am sorry but I bet you don’t know not even one answer to all the above questions. Please do yourself a favor and stop listening to vague propaganda. And don’t pay any attention to crooks from Scotland or any other place in the UK who only pop in threads like "the Orams case" and "boycotts". This is all that matters to them and given the chance they would not only screw us, but both us and you together.
We don’t need such "supporters".

Is all the data available to TCs? can you give us an indepedent source as figures have a way fo being manipulated to suit ones aim or are you talking out of thin air?

[sadik]

You are right sadik, I watched that on the news too. Moreover the TC who spoke at the demonstration said "we do not recognise ANY military zones in our Country" !!! Wow, it must have taken a lot of guts to say that there!

As long as there are such Cypriots there is real hope in Cyprus.

NB. He also said that such practices apply only in totalitarian regimes etc, I mean if he wasn’t speaking in Turkish I would even think this is some sort of a fague news story. Well done to him and all those TCs who demonstrated.

Pyrpolizer,

There are and there always have been people who are saying these things. However, TC opinions are rarely reflected in the GC media. And what is reflected is usually the very nationalistic opinions which creates more mistrust towards the TCs. I'm surprised that this was on TV.

[cypezokyli]

the tc reporters yesterday protested against the letest arrests of gc reporters. it was on the news last night.

i wonder if our reporters would have done the same in case of mistreatment towards the tc reporters from our goverment.

allow me to have my doubts

[Issy1956]

Pyrpolizer,
As VP has highlighted it is difficult for me to address your points re usage of TC land in the south with accurate data which I did not have. I was merely bringing to peoples notice that there is a considerable amount of abandoned TC land in the south which the GC authorities have been able to utilise. That TC land has been used in public projects is not in contention but merely the level. How much of this was delibrate and how of resulted from the absence of the TC owners to protest when their land came into the frame for being developed is difficult to guage. Probably a mixture of the two.
I condemn without reservation the actions of the TC authorities in handing out GC land in the north on the basis of army service or more likely cronyism and corruption post 1974. These actions by the Dentash regime have made an eventual settlemnt more difficult and it was with this in mind that they did it anyway-to cement the division of the island. They should not have handed out any title deeds of GC land to anybody in the absence of a settlemnt between the two communities-people should have been allowed to use the land as tenants. However I can see that from the TC point of view people would have been reluctant to invest or develop other people's land if thought that they would have to hand it back.
Its just that I get a little irrated each time somebody pipes up about all the stolen GC land when a lot of TC's have left behind in the south at least what they have got in the north. Yes there is a lot of unfairness and corruption and the Turkish Army grabbed much more than they should have -probably in the expectation that they would have to give some back following an agreement. perhaps they did not envisage that we would still not hve got anywhere after 30 years.

[Simon]

Mrfromng said:

[quote]Simon, do you for one minute believe the TC's give a jack shit whether you visit the north or not? You my friend are insignificant. If you ever have the opportunity try this, GO AND STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHARA DESERT, YOU WILL SEE FOR YOURSELF HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU ARE. [/quote]

Do you think I give a jack shit what TCs think? If I am insignificant, then how significant are you? Or are you somehow better than me in your pathetic little regime you have going on in the North?

You are a very stupid person. You believe one person is insignificant? Well how insignificant was Martin Luther King, Jesus, Muhammad, Gandhi, Shakespeare, Alexander etc etc. One person can be very significant. How do you think changes happen? Through the ideas of people. I'm not going to waste any more of my time talking with someone who is clearly stupid.

[Pyrpolizer]

i wonder if our reporters would have done the same in case of mistreatment towards the tc reporters from our goverment.

allow me to have my doubts

Yes have your doubts my dear. Perhaps someone should remind you that an EU country cannot arrest journalists. And stop being "to anipshi tou Bananiot" (=Bananiot’s nephew)

[Pyrpolizer]

Is all the data available to TCs?

Yes all the data for expropriations is published in the Government Gazette. The RoC has to act in accordance with law because it is accountable for its actions. It is not a pseudo which has to account to noone.
By the date they expropriate a property they have to publish it because the money due to the owner are it’s value at that date +interest.
The RoC cannot hide anything, nor has any reason to hide.
They cannot even hide the fact that some TC properties at Polemidia/Limassol for builting government refugee settlements were not properly expropriated and they try to do it now by paying 20-30 times the original price. The owners are really lucky.

I urge EVERY TC to go check his properties personally. If he sees something builted on it, he should go straight to Denktash because Denktash has a record of all expropriations published in the Gazette. And check out for himself.

Now tell me what should the GCs do seeing the settlers not using them for living but actually selling them to foreigners?

[Pyrpolizer]

How much of this was delibrate and how of resulted from the absence of the TC owners to protest when their land came into the frame for being developed is difficult to guage. Probably a mixture of the two.

You are right on this. I don’t know about delibarate action but I surely can confirm the fact that the absense of any TC to protest had an effect. For example we recently had a case when according to the EU regulations the slaghterhouse remnants should be incinerated. The GC villagers protrested so the plan moved elsewhere.

Now there was a case in the past of where they should locate Nicosia TrashPlan. Guess where it was finally located. Next to a beautiful TC village, with a river by the side called Kotshiati.
Not a soul protested!