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Animal Cruelty in Cyprus :(

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Postby GorillaGal » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:30 pm

anastasiaC wrote:
haha
but see I have nothing against animals but i just think to have one lick my feet is gross man!!
and when u go to a house that keeps animals indoors it stinks!! really!
im not been nasty but I just dont like it......


come to my house. you won't smell the animals, and i have 3 cats. in fact, i am a pet sitter with over 60 clients, and NONE of the houses smell like animals. if your house smells, then the humans aren't doing a very good job of keping it, or the animals, clean.

and BTW, i ;ove to have my feet licked! :-)
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Postby Piratis » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:37 pm

If you consider an animal your private property then you should keep it with you or within your property. If somebody comes within your property to harm your dogs, cats etc then this person is violating the law and can be prosecuted.

If you leave your dogs around shitting and peeing at other peoples properties and maybe endanger some people (some dogs are not always friendly) then if something happens to your dog will be your fault.

However from what you said ("start killing the donkeys and goats") it is even more obvious that you don't care about animals, just for your pets, therefore why pretend to be "animal lovers" and such?
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Postby betting guru » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:00 pm

Touch a nerve did I Piratis ?? Dont like it when us " foreigners " start talking about doing things to threaten your people and their heritage and homeland.

Well now you know I we feel when you kill our harmless animals.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:08 pm

Look betting guru, personally I didn't kill any pets, in fact at home we have cats. I don't blame you from being mad if one of your animals is hurt by somebody, I would too.

What I don't like is the hypocrisy of some people that label themselves "animal lovers" and they criticize everybody else, when in fact they are just as bad as everybody else in their treatment towards animals and they just exclude a few kinds of animals from the list of the animals that can be killed for food, for fur, because they are considered pests etc.

It is against this hypocrisy that I am arguing against, not against the feelings that somebody can have if an animal that he cares about is hurt.
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Postby betting guru » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:17 pm

Very easy to broaden an argument and slant it in the favour of ones own opinion but if you stick to the facts of this thread then you either condemn the people who poison pets or condone it. Education should start in primary schools in Cyprus to turn around the opinions of children who will one day be parents to stop the rubbish handed down to them by grandfathers and grandmothers who view Cats and Dogs as vermin.
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Postby GorillaGal » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:56 pm

Piratis wrote:Look betting guru, personally I didn't kill any pets, in fact at home we have cats. I don't blame you from being mad if one of your animals is hurt by somebody, I would too.

What I don't like is the hypocrisy of some people that label themselves "animal lovers" and they criticize everybody else, when in fact they are just as bad as everybody else in their treatment towards animals and they just exclude a few kinds of animals from the list of the animals that can be killed for food, for fur, because they are considered pests etc.

It is against this hypocrisy that I am arguing against, not against the feelings that somebody can have if an animal that he cares about is hurt.


this hypocisy thing has got to end already! there is a difference between pets and farm animals and wild animals, and none of us animal lovers are talking about killing or torturing any kind of animal. it is a fact that certain animals are bred for food or clothes, and i don't think any of us are that overboard to be upset with that. it is a fact of life. what this thread started out as is someone being upset about how certain people treat their PETS. a PET is a domesticated animal, a companion animal. they are members of our families. under no circumstances should they be neglected or abused, just as a child or a spouse or any family (human) member should not be neglected or abused. and people who do abuse them should be prosecuted to the fulleest exent of the law.
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Postby dinos » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:56 pm

Piratis wrote:If you consider an animal your private property then you should keep it with you or within your property. If somebody comes within your property to harm your dogs, cats etc then this person is violating the law and can be prosecuted.

If you leave your dogs around shitting and peeing at other peoples properties and maybe endanger some people (some dogs are not always friendly) then if something happens to your dog will be your fault.


This makes sense - people should not let their animals defecate on other people's property. That said, this usually has more to do with stupid pet owners than the animal itself, which doesn't know any better without training. In those cases, people should get balls and let the pet's owner know what's going on. If they won't - or are too stupid to - fix the problem, then there's a different ball of wax. But this can be easily (and very amusingly) addressed by throwing the crap at the offending person's windows or something. (I recommend rubber gloves if taking this course of action. :lol:)

That said, I think that everyone who eats meat should either kill their own prey, or visit a slaughterhouse, once a year. And specifically regarding slaughterhouses, cows know what's happening to them and go down the line screaming in fear. It's a little too easy for people to think they're more civilized than others when someone else does their killing for them.
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Postby doglover » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:25 pm

I strongly disagree with everything Piratis said. I've had similar conversations with Cypriots about this, and they all had the similar point of view as Piratis. They try and justify their animalistic ways, and at the same time, act all patriotic and don't like to be told that they, as a country, are largely at fault for the way they treat dogs and cats - 'domestic animals'.

How on earth can you compare the consumption of farm animals, to the sick and twisted ways of people here that torture dogs and cats for the sheer fun of it? And who in their right mind would pour a flammable substance over a dog and set fire to it, all the while singing and finding it highly entertaining? Only sick people do that. They're not going to eat the dogs, so why should they poison them for no apparent reason? I don't see slaughter houses using lanade to kill and torture cows and goats before we consume them. I live next to a farm, and it can smell at a bit at night... does that mean I would go and poison the farm animals, because I find the smell bothersome???

Shortly after my brothers dog was poisoned, I called the government vet (He's Cypriot) and he said he receives phone calls every day from people that have lost their dogs due to them being poisoned. He said it's a big problem here, and that Cypriots will never change, for the very reason that they are interested in materialistic things, such as nice cars, big houses, and gucci handbags (for the women). This is their enjoyment in life.

Their parents should be teaching their children to act in humane ways, and love animals, instead of telling them that life is all about getting married, buying a house, finding a good job etc.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand. My fiancee knew someone in the army that chopped a dogs head off with an axe! And why did he do such a thing? Was it to consume the dog? Or was it because he was sick in the head and was taught as a child that dogs and cats are worthless dirty animals? I think it's the latter. Surely if he knew people that had dogs as pets.. and I'm not talking about dogs that are tied to a tree in 40 degrees weather, and thrown a piece of bread every so often. I'm actually talking about dogs that are allowed inside the home, and cared for by loving owners. If he had witnessed this kind of example as a child, then he would have thought twice about picking up that axe.

My brother overheard a Cypriot saying that he put a rottweiler into a small cage with two cats to see what would happen. Of course the rottweiler ripped the cats to pieces. It's not just one case I've heard of... animal cruelty, in all forms, is an ongoing problem here.

Some parents here will allow their children to have puppies for a short while... but when that puppy grows in size, they are left to wander the streets, and inevitably get run over by cars. Do they even consider the consequences, that the dogs will breed, increasing the number of stray dogs in Cyprus, thus creating a bigger problem? Those parents are responsible for their children, and should be setting good examples, which is clearly not the case here.

And Anastasia... if anyones dog stinks, it's the dog that is kept tied to a tree in the garden all day that has never been bathed or looked after properly. Their gardens must reek of smelly dog, and their dogs must be completely covered in tics, and other nasty parasites.

My house doesn't smell of dog because I bathe my dogs every two weeks, and they visit the grooming salon and vet on a regular basis.

I had guests over last night and they asked me what that nice smell was. I guess it's the detergent I use to mop my floors, or the pledge I use to polish my home on a daily basis. And you're saying anyone who has a dog, must also have a smelly house? pfffff.

In fact, my pethera is always boasting about how 'kathari' her nifi is.

"If you consider an animal your private property then you should keep it with you or within your property. If somebody comes within your property to harm your dogs, cats etc then this person is violating the law and can be prosecuted." But you see Piratis... the problem here, is that the police brush aside any reports from people complaining that their pets have been poisoned. There ARE laws, but the police and government are NOT enforcing them! And who said Cypriots only poison the dogs that wander into their garden? That's not always the case. They will poison the dog because they don't like the idea of living next door to a dog. Or because they hold some kind of grudge with the neighbour.

And so what if your neighbours dog comes and poops inside your garden? There are several solutions to this. Knock on your neighbours door and tell them about it. Ask that they pick up the poop, and advise them to keep the dog inside their garden for the dogs safety. Maybe ask them to put up a fence, or something. And if the owner does not do this, ask them if they really want the dog. If they don't, ring up a dog shelter, and ask that they collect the dog, and then they can find a proper home for it, where the dog will be kept under control by a loving family. See? Simple humane solution.

And what about the many dogs that are shot to death after the hunting season is over, and dumped in the skip? Another thing the government vet mentioned! It's rather sickening to hear.

It's the same thing with road accidents here... I went to McDonalds the other night, and while I was waiting in the parking lot for my fiancee to return with the food... I heard these loud screeching sounds... there were grown men in cars speeding up and down the parking lot, making sharp turns, thinking it was a dirt track. Of all the places in Cyprus, they chose Mcdonalds, a place where families take their children??? How bloody dangerous is that! And let's not forget the time I was driving through Kanika, and there were a bunch of underaged kids, doing wheelies on their mopeds, not wearing helmets. A police car was infront of me and the police men found it rather comical! How screwed up is that!?! And their parents weep and ask God why he takes their children when they are involved in road accidents? Maybe if the police enforced the law of wearing a helmet on a moped, then the road deaths would be reduced. But no, they track down the person driving the car, and blame the death
on the driver, when in fact, they should be knocking down the governments door. I can't tell you how many times I've seen underaged kids speeding past police men, without a helment, and the police men do nothing!

Same principle really. How will things ever get better here if the government and police aren't enforcing the laws, like in other countries? The RSPCA punish those who mistreat animals in the UK. But on the whole, English people generally love dogs, and will treat them with lots of love and affection.

Most English people I know here have dogs inside their homes, and give them the love and special treatment they deserve.

The Cyprus government really need to step up and do something.
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Postby G.Man » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:18 pm

Piratis wrote:Look betting guru, personally I didn't kill any pets, in fact at home we have cats. I don't blame you from being mad if one of your animals is hurt by somebody, I would too.

What I don't like is the hypocrisy of some people that label themselves "animal lovers" and they criticize everybody else, when in fact they are just as bad as everybody else in their treatment towards animals and they just exclude a few kinds of animals from the list of the animals that can be killed for food, for fur, because they are considered pests etc.

It is against this hypocrisy that I am arguing against, not against the feelings that somebody can have if an animal that he cares about is hurt.


No its not, you are arguing for the sake of arguing...

You are being deliberately inflamatory because you can...

You claim to have a high iq but cannot distinguish bewteen food and pets...

Or maybe you can as you claim to have cats as well... what do you feed your cats on? are they vegetarian? no you feed them meat or a meat based dried food!

So how would you feel if you came home one day to find your cats dead, shit all over the place where their bowels let go in their last agonising moments of death?

They died because they managed to get out of an open window and munch away on the deliberately placed poison meat, left by your animal hating neighbour...

Yes I am sure you would be all defensive of this barbaric pratice then... because it was a greek cypriot that did it...

werre it a brit or a tc that laid the poison then you would be screaming they were all animals and should be hung at dawn... at least we condemn the same people that my animal loving cypriot neighbour condemns... she is afraid to let her dogs in the garden in summer, as she has found poison meat thrown into her back garden!! Yeah they cant even shit in their own back yard safely with such assholes around!

And i doubt ANYONE here condones the use of animals for fur... except those same people that condone the killing of pets because they might one day pee on the wheel of their heavily financed mercedes...

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Postby Kikapu » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:43 pm

Here in Switzerland, one can bring their dog/dogs on to buses and trains as well as to a restaurant. There are water fountains everywhere, with drinking water pouring out all day long for people and for their animals to drink from, including horses. Almost every street has a green rubbish bin with a supply of black plastic dog poop bags, for the owners to clean up after their dogs and deposit the poop bags into the green bins. Restaurants provide water bowls for the dogs, specially when it gets hot. I must confess, that these dogs behave far better than teenagers. Most dog owners take their dogs through the "dog obedience" programs. These animals are part of their family. Dogs and Humans have a special relationship. Cats don't give a shit about you, unless they want something, but love them too, although, I don't have any pets.

Somehow, if a Cypriot man was seen picking up his dogs poop into a plastic bag, he would be laughed out of town. Then again, I don't think too many Cypriot men would change diapers on their children either, so at least they are consistent, when it comes to POOP. If some Cypriots do not like Cats and Dogs, that's fine, they don't have to, but don't go around killing someone else's member of their family. This has nothing to do with hypocrisy, as to whether one eats meat or not, rather it has to do with ignorance. Those who are not kind to animals, usually are not very kind to children either.
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