Assuming Turkis Army leaves today what would you do?
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by brother » Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:36 pm
What if they are settlers who have the right to stay under whatever deal and they refuse to leave, they say we have been living here for 30 years and it is our home now, then what would you do?
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by Othellos » Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:33 pm
brother wrote:What if they are settlers who have the right to stay under whatever deal and they refuse to leave, they say we have been living here for 30 years and it is our home now, then what would you do?
In that case one would have to wait and see what the provisions of the "whatever deal" you mention above are, with respect to the rights of the real owners vs those of current occupants. No solution plan can avoid addressing this complex issue.
But to try and answer your question: my opinion is that in ANY solution, the real owners of a home should have the first choice over their place. If for some reason this is not possible then alternative solutions can be investigated, like for example acquiring another land plot nearby that is just as suitable for a home.
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by Piratis » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:13 pm
You mean nothing also to stop fanatic fractions among GC's. Or do you believe that there would not be any hostile attempts by any GC's? Or do you think the GC's can stop such violence? If your answer is affermative, then how so, as they could never manage (not even tried) to contain or control such attacks in the past?
You are talking about the distant past. Today TCs come to the free areas and GCs go to the occupied areas and such things do not happen anymore.
If the purpose of Turkish army is to keep us in control rather than keeping you away, then tell me why are the GCs complaining about the Turkish army, but TCs are refusing to complain about the army
Can they really complain much? Even Denctash claimed that Turkish agents killed his son because at that time he was not following Turkeys directions to the letter.
LOL. You made my day with this comment of yours.
Oh really. So you tell me why the Turkish army has 40.000 troops stationed in Cyprus. They are afraid of the tiny Cyprus army so much? Obviously this is not the case.
Well I guess you just have to get used to living next to Turkey, HUH?
I wouldn't be so arrogant if I were you. Cyprus is already a part of a union that will be much stronger and much more united in 10-15 years from now. Turkey will never be part of this union, so don't be surprised if one day Turkey will be looking south and what they will see will not be a weak island but the tip of one of the worlds super powers.
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by Piratis » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:55 pm
is trully GCs best interest to help Turkey to get into EU
What is for our benefit is for us to decide.
I personally believe that while Turkey continues the occupation of Cyprus it should not be allowed to enter the union.
I believe our government should declare from now that the acceptance or rejection of Turkey in 15-20 years from now will be decided by a referendum. (like in France)
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by Piratis » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:24 pm
Don't worry, we would never bother to take your opinion on this matter.
It is obvious that what you care about is the interests of Turkey and not our interests, because the one that will be harmed most if it stays out will be Turkey itself and not us.
We are just half a million people, and believe me, the damage we can make to Turkey is a huge one, even if we will have to pay a cost also. (and we are willing to take it, this is why I ask for a referendum)
It is obvious that what you care about is the interests of Turkey and not our interests, because the one that will be harmed most if it stays out will be Turkey itself and not us.
We are just half a million people, and believe me, the damage we can make to Turkey is a huge one, even if we will have to pay a cost also. (and we are willing to take it, this is why I ask for a referendum)
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by MicAtCyp » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:24 pm
TurkCyp,
I remember when I was participating in a forum the majority of which were nationalists I told them the following:
What you guys think you will do if one day by some miracle the RoC suddenly takes full control of the island? Will the Cyprus government let you go to the northern part and start a new bloodshed, or let you throw people out in the streets? DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT! It will first put all the army, all the Police, All the UN, plus more UN, to guard the borders so that nobody crosses. It will declare a situation of emergency! Then slowly slowly it will bring individual people face to face escorted by police. The first effort is to fascilitate and convince people to exchange equal properties. Everything will be done slowly slowly and it may take 2 - 3 years for the situation of emergency to be lifted.
Do I need to mention that most of the administrative system in the north will have to remain intact and autonomous? And that the RoC will be oblidged under the circumstances to undertake its financing otherwise it will collapse and create chaos at the northern part, that the RoC will not be able to handle? This may surprise many, especially the nationalists, but this is what is going to happen, and if the initial measure of autonomy proves satisfactory to both sides, this is what the final solution will be.
I don't agree that nothing will happen, if the state does not take extremely tough measures and declare a situation of emergency. With all respect but you really don't know how far people can go in defending or claiming something that belongs to them. Alexandros Lordos in this forum is a psychlologist. Ask him to tell you. Or just compare what happens when you cause a little damage to someones car.Of course we are not talking for all the people, but even 20 or 30% is enough to turn the place into hell.
The matter of settlers will be arranged according with international law, human rights, EU Aquis and international aggreements that the RoC already signed! Many of them will have to go. Others will stay. And beleive me everything will be according to law and according to human rights. I can’t describe the whole process in detail, but I am sure you got the meaning.
The RoC of today my friend is a responsible state that functions ACCORDING WITH LAW. It is not the state of the 60s.
PS.1) I would like a TC to tell us how the TCs will react against the settlers in this hypothetical scenario. Will the situation become unstable in the northern part from fighting between TCs and settlers, or will they tolerate each other at least for as much time as it might be necessary to clarify who remains a citizen and who leaves?
2)Why not the Turkish Army leave on an agreed schedule, that will enable all concerned handle the situation?
I remember when I was participating in a forum the majority of which were nationalists I told them the following:
What you guys think you will do if one day by some miracle the RoC suddenly takes full control of the island? Will the Cyprus government let you go to the northern part and start a new bloodshed, or let you throw people out in the streets? DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT! It will first put all the army, all the Police, All the UN, plus more UN, to guard the borders so that nobody crosses. It will declare a situation of emergency! Then slowly slowly it will bring individual people face to face escorted by police. The first effort is to fascilitate and convince people to exchange equal properties. Everything will be done slowly slowly and it may take 2 - 3 years for the situation of emergency to be lifted.
Do I need to mention that most of the administrative system in the north will have to remain intact and autonomous? And that the RoC will be oblidged under the circumstances to undertake its financing otherwise it will collapse and create chaos at the northern part, that the RoC will not be able to handle? This may surprise many, especially the nationalists, but this is what is going to happen, and if the initial measure of autonomy proves satisfactory to both sides, this is what the final solution will be.
I don't agree that nothing will happen, if the state does not take extremely tough measures and declare a situation of emergency. With all respect but you really don't know how far people can go in defending or claiming something that belongs to them. Alexandros Lordos in this forum is a psychlologist. Ask him to tell you. Or just compare what happens when you cause a little damage to someones car.Of course we are not talking for all the people, but even 20 or 30% is enough to turn the place into hell.
The matter of settlers will be arranged according with international law, human rights, EU Aquis and international aggreements that the RoC already signed! Many of them will have to go. Others will stay. And beleive me everything will be according to law and according to human rights. I can’t describe the whole process in detail, but I am sure you got the meaning.
The RoC of today my friend is a responsible state that functions ACCORDING WITH LAW. It is not the state of the 60s.
PS.1) I would like a TC to tell us how the TCs will react against the settlers in this hypothetical scenario. Will the situation become unstable in the northern part from fighting between TCs and settlers, or will they tolerate each other at least for as much time as it might be necessary to clarify who remains a citizen and who leaves?
2)Why not the Turkish Army leave on an agreed schedule, that will enable all concerned handle the situation?
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