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What does "united Cyprus" mean to you?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:10 am

true....

but they have a united country.


A label can be attached to anything. Another example: "peace operation".

This is exactly what I am talking about in this thread. We can agree on the label, but mean VERY different things.

So what do YOU mean by unity cypezokyli? Bosnia? Thats for you the "solution" for the Cyprus problem??

I think unity in Cyprus lies with the political leadership. When they get negotiating and handling things properly instead of scoring points and living in the past, we might get closer to improving our lives.


Leaderships change. A unity of a country can not depend on the mood of the leadership of some groups.

Unity means one united country and one united people. Not racist separation and discrimination.
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Postby reportfromcyprus » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:29 am

I agree it should not depend on the political leadership's moods, that's why there ought to be stringent checks and balances that apply irrespective of the political party in power.

Just because someone has the power to do something, doesn't mean they can do whatever the hell they want. This has to be self-regulating, not imposed from foreign countries.

Still, inspiring leaders who can say the word 'unity' and mean it could make a big difference to the willingness of people to cooperate and live together.
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Postby JurgHab » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:57 am

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"united Cyprus"

Postby JurgHab » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:08 am

I believe a "united Cyprus" to come into being, in this post-modern - conflict riddled-era; NOT on the basis of a plug and play solution...

What I mean is that, UN, EU, OECD, OPCE officials cannot realistically expect a political, economic, social set of compromises (in the form of a confederal paradigm) on the basis of a "readily prepared package" - drawn up in the wings of the night, on the guilt of previous ethnic conflict models. I don't personally believe there will ever be a "united Cyprus"; as both sides depend on the International Community to do this + both sides would be incapable of grinding out any deal at all on their own initiative as they're up to their eyeballs in political instability and corruption...

Unfortunately the myth of the Cypriot - whichever ethnicity he may be borne into - is to ruin himself, by himself, for himself anti-patriotically and in the name of colonial nationalism

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Postby reportfromcyprus » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:32 am

A cheery optimist I see :)

Welcome, Jurghab.
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Postby MARIKKOU » Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:10 am

"United Cyprus " to em means

there at least TWO (2) parts. which have agreed to Unite as One (1)
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Postby JurgHab » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:40 pm

reportfromcyprus wrote:A cheery optimist I see :)

Welcome, Jurghab.


Thanks 4 the welcome reportfromcyprus...happy to find you..

No..you're right - I suppose though that sometimes as we get older our optimism and idealism are rammed down into a shaped out realism...regrettably! (a bit like that Peugot TV commercial when they shape an old zastava into a peugeot - "Comfortably Numb" Roger Waters would say ;) )
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Postby Hiyar herif » Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:37 am

in the mean time why cant tc's export their goods to europe( olive oil,cheese ..etc..)
why the suppression,why are the turks made to look like some kind of barbarians,like we ruined everything.We've been in cyprus for half a millenia.Why dont England and America want anything to do with us.I'll tell you why - because turks are :sniper: moslems thats why.Wake up everyone,america needs the greeks,so they can use your air bases.Israel is only round the corner.

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Postby Piratis » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:37 am

in the mean time why cant tc's export their goods to europe

In the meantime why can't the Turkish troops leave from Cyprus, the refugees return to their homes and legality return to Cyprus so everybody can get their rights back and then we can sit and discuss in a civilized manner and without threats to see if we can agree to something different than the 1960 agreements or not?

So to your question: "in the meantime why Turkish Cypriots should also suffer from the illegalities that TCs and Turkey insist upon? Only the GCs should suffer while TCs should enjoy their life as if nothing happened and have no motive to do anything for a solution", the answer is "forget about it". You can't solve the Cyprus problem only for your side. Your problems will be solved when you accept to end your illegalities so our problems will be solved as well.



Why dont England and America want anything to do with us


??? US and UK along with Israel are Turkey's closest allies. What are you talking about????
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:08 am

Piratis wrote:
true....

but they have a united country.


A label can be attached to anything. Another example: "peace operation".

This is exactly what I am talking about in this thread. We can agree on the label, but mean VERY different things.

So what do YOU mean by unity cypezokyli? Bosnia? Thats for you the "solution" for the Cyprus problem??


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i reffered to bosnia fo two reasons.
1. to state that things like "no place in the world" having such system is not an argument anymore.
2. i hope you understand , how important it is when the international community has set a paradigm.

now to your question.
if you get the tcs to agree on your term of unity , then you achieved a real "unifying" term for the word "unity". if your term for "unity" fails to unite all cypriots then i am afraid that it is not uniting anyone :wink:

if i would accept the bosnian model as a solution ?
let me put it that way :
the bosnian problem is not solved yet. it will take years for that to happen , because it is not a constitution on a piece of paper that brings unity but it is a long process that will heal the wounds and slowly create a sense of "bosnianism" in the country.
the system is dysfunctional. true . peace is only present due to the heavy military presence in the area. also true.

ten years after dayton though , there is a relative peace , and the peace forces are reducing. more than half of the refuggees have returned. the system is today working better in comparison to the first five years where all parties chose to vote for nationalist parties. they are today even discussing the prospect of creating a united bosnian army! will they achieve it soon ? i have my doubts. but after ten years they are at least discussing something that was out of the question in 1994. perhaps one day they will achieve it.

now, where were we ten years after the war ? at the same position we are 30 years after the war. where is the progress in our case ? because just like reportfromcyprus sais , a constitution alone cannot bring unity.do you think that even if we achieve to have unity written as "one country one people" on a piece of paper, that will be enough to bring "unity" ?

I think unity in Cyprus lies with the political leadership. When they get negotiating and handling things properly instead of scoring points and living in the past, we might get closer to improving our lives.


Leaderships change. A unity of a country can not depend on the mood of the leadership of some groups.

Unity means one united country and one united people. Not racist separation and discrimination

i agree with report.
any system will collapse with unwilling leaderhip.

it is not contitutions that fail. it is leaders.
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