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[Simon]

First of all Miltiades, I am not 16 years old. I would have thought that you having the experience of 90 years behind you, could have figured this out.

Secondly, you have already insulted me several times, so it is amazing how stupid you are, that you can think you can take the moral high ground now! I guess that is the level of intelligence I am dealing with.

Thirdly, just because I believe in God, it does not make me perfect. You have provoked me, therefore I retaliated. I have said time and time again, I have no problem with people who do not believe, but you verbally attacked me on a personal level because I do. That is what I dislike.

Kikapu, I do not easily get annoyed at unbelievers. You have the right to believe in whatever you wish. Miltiades attacked me for what I believe, which is harmless to him or anyone else, this is why I got annoyed here. Kikapu, if you do not believe in God, you obviously will not believe in the miracles. Therefore, there is no point us going any further on the discussion, because we are looking at it from two completely different viewpoints. If you do not believe in miracles, then obviously you might as well forget all about the Bible and Jesus, and any other religion for that matter. Like I have said before, I have no problem with people who simply do not believe, all I ask is for people not to attack me, because I do. Your example of the daughter, is not the same as what happened with Mary. I wish I could explain why, but it would take too long talking with you about past prophecies and the Old Testament to do this. However, you would probably know that she was lying when the 3 wise men don't turn up at your door! Or God hadn't warned you of this, or it hadn't been predicted in any religious book, or you knew your daughter wasn't a Saint etc etc.

[Simon]

First of all Miltiades, I am not 16 years old. I would have thought that you having the experience of 90 years behind you, could have figured this out.

Secondly, you have already insulted me several times, so it is amazing how stupid you are, that you can think you can take the moral high ground now! I guess that is the level of intelligence I am dealing with.

Thirdly, just because I believe in God, it does not make me perfect. You have provoked me, therefore I retaliated. I have said time and time again, I have no problem with people who do not believe, but you verbally attacked me on a personal level because I do. That is what I dislike.

Kikapu, I do not easily get annoyed at unbelievers. You have the right to believe in whatever you wish. Miltiades attacked me for what I believe, which is harmless to him or anyone else, this is why I got annoyed here. Kikapu, if you do not believe in God, you obviously will not believe in the miracles. Therefore, there is no point us going any further on the discussion, because we are looking at it from two completely different viewpoints. If you do not believe in miracles, then obviously you might as well forget all about the Bible and Jesus, and any other religion for that matter. Like I have said before, I have no problem with people who simply do not believe, all I ask is for people not to attack me, because I do. Your example of the daughter, is not the same as what happened with Mary. I wish I could explain why, but it would take too long talking with you about past prophecies and the Old Testament to do this. However, you would probably know that she was lying when the 3 wise men don't turn up at your door! Or God hadn't warned you of this, or it hadn't been predicted in any religious book, or you knew your daughter wasn't a saint or even a believer in God etc etc.

[MR-from-NG]

Simon, Miltiades,

We are Cypriots and proud to be. We are a unique race. We have all been brought up to protect the young and respect our elders.

Simon Miltiades is my elder, he is 60 and I'm 53. I would be very upset with myself if i showed him disrespect. You both are upsetting one another unnecessarily. How about you apologise to one another and make a fresh start? As I said, we are Cypriots, we are kind, generous and forgiving people. That is true to TC's and GC's.

[Kikapu]

Your example of the daughter, is not the same as what happened with Mary. I wish I could explain why, but it would take too long talking with you about past prophecies and the Old Testament to do this. However, you would probably know that she was lying when the 3 wise men don't turn up at your door! Or God hadn't warned you of this, or it hadn't been predicted in any religious book, or you knew your daughter wasn't a saint or even a believer in God etc etc.

Simon, why I'm I not surprised that you would come up with an answer to my question, because all religious people do. Like I said, I don't like to talk about religion with those who live by the holy book, because I end up questioning everything that they accept, and I don't, regardless of their faith. But you must also know, being a non believer, I accept all people from different religions , which is more than some religious people do to others from the other side of the "fence". So being a non believer has it's advantages.

It would be interesting actually, to allow people like me to question you on your believes. Why not. I'm willing to learn. The answers you gave to my question were quiet good. Of course, for me, that would create more questions. Second thoughts, I better leave it alone, or else I will start pissing people off, and it's not my intention to deny people of their beliefs.

[Simon]

Mrfromng, I truly am a respectable person usually, to people of all ages, especially elders.

However, I do not have respect for people who have no tolerance of other people's views (providing they are harmless of course). If Miltiades shows more tolerance towards me and my beliefs, which are important to me, then I will gladly show him all the respect in the world. If Miltiades wants me to respect him, then surely he has to respect me, regardless of my age.

Miltiades, I apologise for my outbursts. If you show my views respect, I will reciprocate.

[Simon]

Kikapu, questioning me will not annoy me one bit. Please feel free. Like I said, I have no problem with people who do not believe. I also have respect for people who have different religious beliefs to mine, as long as they do respect mine.

[MR-from-NG]

Miltiades, I apologise for my outbursts. If you show my views respect, I will reciprocate.

Well done Simon. You deserve everybody's respect for this noble gesture.

[andri_cy]

I guess now it is the elder's turn to apologize?

[MR-from-NG]

Andry_cy,

Miltiades has already done that on the "Cyprus problem" thread. I remember a while ago you were appointed as the "forum police". Where were you when Simon and Miltiades went off on one? Being the forum police you should have stepped in. Please take your responsibility more seriously.

[garthur]

Ahem! Excuse me gents! In relation to Mary and the virgin birth (or immaculate contraption as my little nephew once called it!) - I think that in the Hebrew "virgin" actually refers to a woman up until she actually gives birth to her first child. Prior to that she is barren.

Could be wrong but I don't think so in this instance.

Also, I believe Natty is absolutely correct in her posting on good and evil. If there was no badness in the world how would we know good? What would be our yardstick for measurements? I don't think this has so much to do with God and Devil philosophy, more a basic awareness which - as a species who supposedly is able to think and reason [although I sometimes wonder....]allows us to identify between what is good or nice and what is bad or nasty!

By the way, ALL the scriptures - christian, islam, judaeic, buddhist, mayan, hindu etc.,etc., were written by people who lived in "primitive" times. Therefore, the writings were of events seen through the eyes of those people who interpreted them in such as way as was relevant to their time eras and comprehension. We try to translate them via our own understandings but to do this we have to be totally empathic and be able to view those events through the eyes of the narrators. Many of the stories told, the descriptions given etc., were illustrative and metaphorical not literal and actual.

Glen