Richardb , I absolutely agree that Jesus existed and by all accounts was crucified. Although do not believe in the creator I do believe and respect the philosophy behind the New Testament. I believe Jesus was a prophet , a charismatic leader who preached love and forgiveness .
My beliefs today are in the goodness found in the hearts of people who are dedicated to the welfare and well being of the less fortunate , the sick and the weak .
Much too much of peoples time is taken up praising the Lord , spreading the message and screwing every body else in the meantime. Just look at these fanatics praying continuously and blowing themselves up in order to kill and maim as many humans as possible , indeed today in Iraq , at a religious shrine , the savages struck again.
These medieval crusaders of the devil thought they were doing gods work. My ass. !!
Jesus & Mohammed
by Simon » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:46 pm
The fact that people say Jesus was a great leader and moral teacher but not who he said he was does not simply add up. Jesus made several claims, which if they were untrue, he would be a lunatic, not a great teacher. How can a great teacher tell people blatant lies, because that is what you are suggesting.
The explanations of the miracles again do not hold water. I do not care how much people share; 7 loaves of bread and 3 pieces of fish could not feed 4,000 people, satisfy them all, and still have seven basketfuls of pieces left over, as Mark states. You also mention the burning bush- this is perfectly explained, if that was the whole story. You conveniently miss out Moses asserting that God had spoken to him, and given him the 10 commandments. That is the miracle, not the burning bush. What about Lazarus being raised from the dead, the blind seeing, the crippled walking etc. Even Jesus enemies (the Jewish Priests) acknowledged the miracles, which is why they thought him so dangerous to them. But again, it all comes down to a question of faith.
However, if you do not believe, this is fair enough. It is your choice and I have no problem with that.
I have problems with people like Miltiades, who try to ridicule and attack people who have beliefs beyond what their tiny brains can understand.
The explanations of the miracles again do not hold water. I do not care how much people share; 7 loaves of bread and 3 pieces of fish could not feed 4,000 people, satisfy them all, and still have seven basketfuls of pieces left over, as Mark states. You also mention the burning bush- this is perfectly explained, if that was the whole story. You conveniently miss out Moses asserting that God had spoken to him, and given him the 10 commandments. That is the miracle, not the burning bush. What about Lazarus being raised from the dead, the blind seeing, the crippled walking etc. Even Jesus enemies (the Jewish Priests) acknowledged the miracles, which is why they thought him so dangerous to them. But again, it all comes down to a question of faith.
However, if you do not believe, this is fair enough. It is your choice and I have no problem with that.
I have problems with people like Miltiades, who try to ridicule and attack people who have beliefs beyond what their tiny brains can understand.
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by Simon » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:52 pm
Miltiades, I'm not even going to waste my time on you anymore.
Yeah, of course the 503 years was done on purpose.
So was the misspelling of delusional to highlight your level of maturity.
Just don't respond to my posts again you muppet!
Yeah, of course the 503 years was done on purpose.
So was the misspelling of delusional to highlight your level of maturity.
Just don't respond to my posts again you muppet!
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by miltiades » Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:18 pm
Simon wrote:
"" I do not care how much people share; 7 loaves of bread and 3 pieces of fish could not feed 4,000 people, satisfy them all, and still have seven basketfuls of pieces left over ""
And so the book tells the blind !!!!! Go and pray to your God and ask for forgiveness because MAKARIE I PTOHI TOU PNEVMATI BECAUSE THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.
Can you honestly believe this total crap 7 loaves and 3 pieces of fish , Fuck me , where was he when the tsunami struck , oh I forgot they were mostly Muslims so what !! Get your head out of your ... wake up and grow up ., will not respond to your posts until you are at least 16 years old , otherwise I will be accused of mental under age rape.
"" I do not care how much people share; 7 loaves of bread and 3 pieces of fish could not feed 4,000 people, satisfy them all, and still have seven basketfuls of pieces left over ""
And so the book tells the blind !!!!! Go and pray to your God and ask for forgiveness because MAKARIE I PTOHI TOU PNEVMATI BECAUSE THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.
Can you honestly believe this total crap 7 loaves and 3 pieces of fish , Fuck me , where was he when the tsunami struck , oh I forgot they were mostly Muslims so what !! Get your head out of your ... wake up and grow up ., will not respond to your posts until you are at least 16 years old , otherwise I will be accused of mental under age rape.
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by Simon » Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:35 pm
The fact that you mention the tsunami shows me that you do not even understand the Bible, yet you attack it. Do you know why there are tragedies and disasters in the world today? Did you know that the Bible offers an explanation and it is NOT that it was God's will?
You are an ignorant, rude, arrogant, conceited old bigot who can't stand anyone who believes in something he does not understand. This level of intelligence and maturity shows me what sort of a fool you are!
You are not religious, fine! Why do you attack me if I am? You remind me of exactly the type of intolerable people that crucified Jesus!
You just continue along your sorry path to death, believing in nothing but underground darkness that awaits you!
I shall not reply to any of your posts any longer because your just a senile old man. Probably too many brain cells have died during your ageing process. I might get arrested for granny bashing if I continue like this.
You are an ignorant, rude, arrogant, conceited old bigot who can't stand anyone who believes in something he does not understand. This level of intelligence and maturity shows me what sort of a fool you are!
You are not religious, fine! Why do you attack me if I am? You remind me of exactly the type of intolerable people that crucified Jesus!
You just continue along your sorry path to death, believing in nothing but underground darkness that awaits you!
I shall not reply to any of your posts any longer because your just a senile old man. Probably too many brain cells have died during your ageing process. I might get arrested for granny bashing if I continue like this.
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by rawk » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:19 am
You're both missing the point. If the earth, that is, where we all live, goes pear shaped as the climate changes, let's say, it was hot today in cyprus, perhaps 39 degrees?
Take it a bit higher, 49? 59? 69? Theres no water, the streets are melting, the plants are dying, a poisoness algae green bloom is in the sea.
Pray to Jesus, to Mohammed.
Trouble is that they as men, not Gods, saw the world as it was then.
No Global warming, no impending disaster. Now wouldn't you have thought a messiah could have forseen that? Naughty messiah! Have to mark down on that one!
No? Well get real oh holy beings, you're all going to die and those ancient prophets are going to do didilly squat about it!
Because, they are dead! And the dead can't do shite! Jesus is dead! Mohammed is dead! No glorious rescue here, boys! They're dead! Deader than a dead man's dead bits!
Paradise? Heaven? Angels? 72 virgins? (exactly how old are these old grannies, boys?) Why 72? Is this Islamic bit of paradise part of a Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?
Funny how you can argue about the age of fossils and 72 virgins whilst your life here slips away in a car bomb and your family watches the skies grow red and blistering heat kills the crops and the well goes dry.!
This God didn't seem how to see how this wonderful creation was going to go, perhaps he was having a bad week?
Or did he get distracted by all those dinosaurs, oops sorry dragons, or was it that meteriote 65 million years ago that buggered everything up?
Strange how the religious believe how everything will continue as it is, their belief has failed them, they cannot deal with this world as it changes before them. They have no answers or solution except unchanging faith.
My money's on the fairies.
Oh, and have a nice day.
Rawk
Take it a bit higher, 49? 59? 69? Theres no water, the streets are melting, the plants are dying, a poisoness algae green bloom is in the sea.
Pray to Jesus, to Mohammed.
Trouble is that they as men, not Gods, saw the world as it was then.
No Global warming, no impending disaster. Now wouldn't you have thought a messiah could have forseen that? Naughty messiah! Have to mark down on that one!
No? Well get real oh holy beings, you're all going to die and those ancient prophets are going to do didilly squat about it!
Because, they are dead! And the dead can't do shite! Jesus is dead! Mohammed is dead! No glorious rescue here, boys! They're dead! Deader than a dead man's dead bits!
Paradise? Heaven? Angels? 72 virgins? (exactly how old are these old grannies, boys?) Why 72? Is this Islamic bit of paradise part of a Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?
Funny how you can argue about the age of fossils and 72 virgins whilst your life here slips away in a car bomb and your family watches the skies grow red and blistering heat kills the crops and the well goes dry.!
This God didn't seem how to see how this wonderful creation was going to go, perhaps he was having a bad week?
Or did he get distracted by all those dinosaurs, oops sorry dragons, or was it that meteriote 65 million years ago that buggered everything up?
Strange how the religious believe how everything will continue as it is, their belief has failed them, they cannot deal with this world as it changes before them. They have no answers or solution except unchanging faith.
My money's on the fairies.
Oh, and have a nice day.
Rawk
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by Simon » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:39 am
The problem is Rawk, (and I am certainly not having a go at you when I say this) that too many people do not understand the Bible or its meaning.
The Bible states that this Earth will die. It does not go into specifics about global warming, but it does go through several disasters that will take place before the end of the world. The earth is going to end eventually anyway no matter what. Jesus did not specifically predict global warming, but why would he, if he does not believe the earth would end like that? Even if he did, do you think that the people of that time would have had a clue what he was on about? He was speaking to them remember as well as us today, and they were the ones who had to record it.
You say Jesus is dead as well as Muhammad. Well, while nobody disputes that Muhammad's body is lying under the ground rotting, it is highly disputed that Jesus' body is. Again, it is all about faith I suppose. If you do not believe, that's fine.
The 72 virgins I do not believe in - that's Islam.
The Bible states that this Earth will die. It does not go into specifics about global warming, but it does go through several disasters that will take place before the end of the world. The earth is going to end eventually anyway no matter what. Jesus did not specifically predict global warming, but why would he, if he does not believe the earth would end like that? Even if he did, do you think that the people of that time would have had a clue what he was on about? He was speaking to them remember as well as us today, and they were the ones who had to record it.
You say Jesus is dead as well as Muhammad. Well, while nobody disputes that Muhammad's body is lying under the ground rotting, it is highly disputed that Jesus' body is. Again, it is all about faith I suppose. If you do not believe, that's fine.
The 72 virgins I do not believe in - that's Islam.
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