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[Issy1956]

Kifeas,
I have no problem with your proposal. Its complex but acceptable to me.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,
I have no problem with your proposal. Its complex but acceptable to me.

Why complex?


You have to take into consideration that due to its proximity to Cyprus and its substantially larger in numbers size of Army, as it compares to Greece, Turkey (and the TCs) has a very clear advantage under such a scheme like the one you have proposed earlier, a fact that makes the GCs not to feel comfortable with.

[Pyrpolizer]

We don’t need armies. Armies by definition act when "order" cannot be established in any other way i.e when Police cannot enforce order by legal procedures. So when the Army takes over there is actually no law. This can happen during external attack or severe internal uprising.
I believe the process of de-militarisation in Cyprus from the existing Turkish and Greek troops after a solution, will provide enough time to see if there is any need for any alternative kind of Armed forces.

If in fact there will be such a need, then the solution has failed.

[EUropean666]

There is great gap between asian and european countries. By definition asian republics are based on the army's power, on limited or not so limited control and authoritarian regimes. Europe is based on its democratic and liberal values for civil liberties, tolerance and etc. Here we have a european and an asian nation. Turks will never learn not to depend on their army just because it is on their mentality. Like Arabs will never learn to live with democracy, turks will never learn to live without the army. They need a gun in their hand all the time.

[Pyrpolizer]

Please DO NOT INSULT THE ARABS!

They are the ones who gave us bread and work when we were hungry and jobless in 1974.
Even if their countries are as you describe I have the ultimate respect for many Arab people.

[Pyrpolizer]

EGYPT is a democratic ARAB country. Egypt provides ALL the teachers at high schools and Universities in the Arab Countries. Hence the young Arabs are educated towards Democracy.
The real ARABS never oblige or had oblidged to any authority. They still live in nomads in the desert, riding proud fast arab horses, and they are more liberal and human than anyone of us can ever be.

Yes there is oligarchy in the Arab Countries (a few Sheiks and the Royal family suck more than 50% of the Countrys wealth), but if you think about it, even our own "Democratic system" is an Oligarchy.

[Jerry]

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What about a combined force of contingents from various EU countries plus Turkey and Cyprus (TCs and GCs together,) which will all function under the roof and the command of the Peace and security Alliance (a combined EU /Nato pact currently under way of formulation and establishment?) For example, we may have such a combined force of fully equipped professional troops, (say around 7-8 thousand in numbers,) 1,000 of which will be from Turkey, 1,000 from Greece, 1,000 from the UK, 1,000 from France, 1,000 from a mixture of 2-3 other European countries, and another 2 -3 thousand from the two communities in Cyprus (say 2,000 GCs and 1,000 TCs.) The entire force will be under one command -that of the above mentioned pact, and will have as its purpose to guarantee the internal and external security and sovereignty of the whole of Cyprus, plus it will act as a force to promote the peace and security interests of the above EU /Nato alliance pact in the region (recent case of Lebanon in mind for example.) No one single country of those contributing forces in the above combined force will have the right to unilaterally use its participating contingent for any other purpose than the one specified. There will be a provision that if in the future the climate of trust in the relations of the two communities is improved, the Cypriot portion or element of this force is increased and the non-Cypriot element is decreased, and perhaps one day it becomes a completely Cypriot professional military force.

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:53 am
Jerry
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There is a very simple answer to you last question VP. Since we all are in or want to become part of the EU the security and legislature of Cyprus should be handed over to the EU for a transitional period. The EHCR is already the highest court in the EU, it could establish a "branch" on the island. All military forces could be disbanded and control, training and supervision of the police could be handed over to the EU. The EU (not the UN) could make a start by opening and managing the ports in the north thus establishing its position as an honest broker


Well Kifeas it looks like we are thinking roughly along the same lines!

[EUropean666]

hm...what about kopts in Egypt? they are subject of daily abuses from muslims. I prefer clear money rather than dirty arab and russian money. Regarding arabs...is is OIC that has considers TRNC as its member since Baku's OIC conference?

Arabs care for money. they graped an opportunity in 1974 but they did not mind to send the mongols back from where they came from.

[kalahari]

Hi folks

I'm back. One thing that I've learned from being a member of this forum is that you will always find somebody to support any argument one way or another – the truth depends on who you talk to.

However. Having just come back from a brief sojourn in the Island of Love, I feel I have to report that the overwhelming opinion of those whom I came into contact with was that everybody would be glad to see the back of the Turkish army – with the possible exception of those Turkish nationals that Turkey have seen fit to "relocate" to Cyprus. I include in that "everybody" the majority of TCs, who it seems to me prefer to think of themselves as Cypriot and can't wait to get shot of the Turks so that they can get this whole stinking mess sorted out and go back to live in the dwellings that their GC brothers have kept so nicely for them. And they have, too. Not a shred of sarcasm there, I promise.

The general theme is that the Turks who have been "relocated" to north Cyprus are, in the main, "undesirables" who the Turkish government want shot of, and who, given the chance, would rather be back in mother Turkey than in the post-war society that is northern Cyprus. Only they're not allowed back. Think Australia in colonial times.

Now I may have got the wrong end of the stick, here.

I can only speak as I have found.

There are a load of GCs who would love to go back north, and lots of TCs who would love to go back south.

What's stopping them? It doesn't appear to be each other. It's those 14,000 fellas with guns, I reckon.

[miltiades]

A warm welcome back Kalahari , hope that you and your family enjoyed your holidays in Cyprus.
I hope you did not single handedly eliminated 26000 Turkish troops !!! Just a joke , and it is good to have you back , and Nicky too.