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[pantheman]

Pantheman, you should be a "stand up comedian". Your solution is a joke, right? You are joking, aren't you?

Mrfromng, the anan plan was a joke but you still expected the GC to accept it, right ?

Seems to me, you want it all your way or no way. With 40,000 + troops point guns at our heads (not to count turkey main land troops) seems you are making us an offer we can't refuse (metaphrically speaking). How else do you propose this should be dealt with ?

Let us see you plan, not your sarcasm!

Pantheman

[MR-from-NG]

Pantheman, the problem will never be solved in the easy way you made it sound. We all know when the troops will leave. The settlers issue is complicated to say the least. You must learn to accept the fact that they are the victims of circumstances. It is strange you are now in the EU, you argue about human rights and yet you would be happy to put the on a boat back home without any consideration for those who have been here for 30 odd years and believe Cyprus to be their home.

As for everybody moving back to their homes and going back to pre 74, you know as well as I do its not going to be like that. There will of course be GC's who will rightfully have their properties and land back but sad as it may be there will be some who will not be able to do this.

Anyway my friend a final solution will be a mixture of what you desire, a bit of what I desire and a touch of what Annan desire.

Good luck to us all.

[Marz]

Pantheman good plan exactly how it should, Mrfromng the settlers who have been here for 30 years and regard this as their country can stay if they like but they will have to legally purchase a property from the rightful owner or somewhere else where property is for sale.
As for the government, whtas the problem you vote, pay taxes live like all the others if you want tc members in government vote them in.

[Simon]

Kifeas, I think you misunderstand me. I was not saying that we should not have a separate anthem for the whole of Cyprus, if and when we re-unify, but just that we should not change our anthem until a solution is agreed.

I say this because if we end up being forced to adopt something like the Annan Plan, which de facto creates 2 separate states, that unite more for convenience than anything else, then we should keep our own separate anthem; just in the same way that England and Scotland have their own anthems, but yet still make up the country of Great Britain and are both British.

I guess I was basically being a bit cynical, in that we should look at the anthem once we know what solution we are getting, and not before.

With regard to my previous post - the second paragraph was only really directed at Miltiades, because of his repeated comments classing people as 'non Cypriot' just because they do not share his view of a 'new Cypriot identity.'

[Niyaz2137]

Kifeas, I think you misunderstand me. I was not saying that we should not have a separate anthem for the whole of Cyprus, if and when we re-unify, but just that we should not change our anthem until a solution is agreed.

I say this because if we end up being forced to adopt something like the Annan Plan, which de facto creates 2 separate states, that unite more for convenience than anything else, then we should keep our own separate anthem; just in the same way that England and Scotland have their own anthems, but yet still make up the country of Great Britain and are both British.

I agree with you SOOOO much.

[miltiades]

SIMON WROTE:
""With regard to my previous post - the second paragraph was only really directed at Miltiades, because of his repeated comments classing people as 'non Cypriot' just because they do not share his view of a 'new Cypriot identity""

Simon , why should any one not share my views on the Cyprus identity , it is crystal clear that the Maltese are Maltese , the Austrians are Austrians the Germans are Germans and more importantly the New Zealanders , the Australians the Canadians all share strong ties with Britain ,they have however reached maturity and are proud of their unique identity , what is it with you denigrating your Cypriot identity and preferring to use the Greek flag that would never unite our island , in contrast the Cypriot flag potentially can. You are either a supporter of a united independent Cyprus or you are harbouring dreams of becoming a part of Greece . I would personally resist such moves and will hope that the majority of Cypriots are mature enough to accept the only sensible solution to our problems. In case you did not read some of my earlier posts , I vehemently opposed the AP.

[Simon]

Miltiades, I endorse your comments that we all have a Cypriot identity. What I reject is when people try to eradicate our culture, language, history etc (i.e. I have recently seen a post about creating a new Cypriot language and religion!), as a community within Cyprus, to promote this newfound idea of being purely Cypriot and nothing else. I get the feeling that you are trying to accomplish this and I believe this in turn will only lead to problems. I understand that people think like this because they feel this is the best way of re-unifying Cyprus, but I do not share that view. Our diversity as different communities that make up Cyprus should not be papered over or hidden, but celebrated (once trust has been achieved) as our island is multi-cultural.

I reject these people for what I hope are obvious reasons, but also partly because the northern 37% of Cyprus call themselves TURKISH! Their flag is Turkish and it is clear from recent opinion polls, one of which that has been posted on this forum, that they would only favour reunification based on some federation (like the Annan Plan) and do not favour true reunification like GCs do. Do they sound like 'Cypriots' to you? You repeatedly state that you regularly meet TCs and they think like you; but what you fail to realise is that the real TCs live abroad in places like the UK, while the 'TRNC' is infiltrated with innumerable settlers from Anatolia.

The fact is that while settlers are allowed to vote on any solution in the 'TRNC,' then we will go nowhere and true reunification will never happen and neither will the 'only Cypriot' idea, no matter what your dreams are. The settlers are the majority in the 'TRNC' now and is that ever going to change? I seriously doubt it.

[growuptcs]

Miltiades, with all due respect, please dont start acting like a born-again Cypriot. We all don't like futures with uncertainties, but you shouldn't act alone in wanting to give the TC's more rights because you had enough in this standstill position. We all had enough on both sides. But your way of reasoning is like making a deal with the devil. Remember that your not the only one that loves this place. We have to learn ways to interact, your right, but not discriminatory ways that your falling for right now. The whole world can show you an act if they had to for their interests, not just TC's.
Look at the UN coming out and trying to get a piece of Famagustas ports, and both sides denied hearing about it. If both sides casually agreed to that, for like lets say a smooth settlement, the UN would collect royalties for everything that went in and out of there for Cyprus' eternity. Is that fair? Thats why settling with the TC's under their terms is a waste of time too. Just think more about it and calm down, koumbare.

[JurgHab]

Right.It belongs to Cyprus and Greece.This anthem is about Greeks and freedom,not about Greece Niyaz.That is the anthem Greek Cypriots have in their hearts.That is the anthem that makes me feel like crying when i hear it,the anthem that is in my heart and i respect.I wont feel the same way about a new anthem cz it will simply mean nothing to me.Im not the only one who feels this way.

Sure...but u r not the only one we want to build peace for...what about our kids and theirs et al et al ... We have to be a little less squirmish about finding everlasting peace wherein future generations will prosper..I mean, really, we are not just doing this for Yannis his wife and bank account and Derya her husband and kids..this is about from here ONWARDS!

I think we will get used to a new anthem and flag eventually ! We'll be a bit fu**d up in the beginning and so what? The risk is minimal compared to de facto, permanent and intransigent division!!

[cadaunovera]

JurgHab can you explain to me y we need a fecking new flag?We dont.The flag SHOULD stay the same.