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[magikthrill]

Bonjour a tout,

Let's face it people. Turkey can use sugarcoated words by claiming that northern Cyprus is another state but the matter of the fact is that it's
ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED!

Turkey, who wants to join the European Union, is ILLEGALLY occupying Cyprus, which is a member of the European Union.

Now let me ask you this. Why would anyone in there right mind think that Cyprus should allow Turkey to join the European Union???

Unless illegal settlers are removed from Cyprus (where they go I do not care) and the people of Cyprus (not just separate communities) come together to form a republic, free of external forces, whether they be Greek, Turkish or British, then and only then should Cyprus consider Turkey to enter the EU.

Comments? Suggestions? Let me know.

-Theodoros
Los Angeles, CA

[erolz]

Now let me ask you this. Why would anyone in there right mind think that Cyprus should allow Turkey to join the European Union???

Because perhaps they believe that allowing Turkey to start the accession process is more likely to lead to an equitable settlement of the Cyprus issue than less likely to do so? That negotiation is a better route to settlement than blackmail?

Unless illegal settlers are removed from Cyprus (where they go I do not care) and the people of Cyprus (not just separate communities) come together to form a republic, free of external forces, whether they be Greek, Turkish or British, then and only then should Cyprus consider Turkey to enter the EU.

So your suggestion is that unless the maximal demands of GC in Cyprus are met in full then the will of the other 24 countries in the EU (and the hundreds of millions of people they encompass) and of Turkey should all be held to ransom by the RoC? Do you think that the use of the veto by a state within the EU is without consequence for either the state using it or the EU in general?

PS for info here is an earlier realted discussion on this issue
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus502.html

Oh and by the way does anyone know how many times (if at all?) the right to veto has been used in the EU's history to date and by whom on what issues? I have tried my usual googling for answers but they don't seem to be jumping out at me so far.

[magikthrill]

oh im sorry.

I didnt know that living in a DEMOCRACY where the people make decisions was only a "GC" preference?

As far as the veto question you pose I am not sure. I believe that Germany and Greece had considered using a veto for Turkey back in the late 80s/early 90s but I am not sure how official this was (if at all).

[erolz]

oh im sorry.

I didnt know that living in a DEMOCRACY where the people make decisions was only a "GC" preference?

Oh dear, here we go again. Sigh.

So what consitiutes a people?

[magikthrill]

oh SIGH. if you dont feel like discussing this, allude me to a link since I'm brining this up "again". can't you read my "new member" logo .

anwyay a people constitutes all the legal citizens of a nation.

[erolz]

oh SIGH. if you dont feel like discussing this, allude me to a link since I'm brining this up "again". can't you read my "new member" logo .

anwyay a people constitutes all the legal citizens of a nation.

I realise you are a 'newish' member (welcome to the forums by the way). I am sorry if I appeared to have a negative attitude to your questions. It's late and I am weary and this has been discussed many times before.

For reference here are some links to related previous discussions

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3363
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=345

[Piratis]

So your suggestion is that unless the maximal demands of GC in Cyprus are met in full then the will of the other 24 countries in the EU (and the hundreds of millions of people they encompass) and of Turkey should all be held to ransom by the RoC?

Yes, if Turkey doesn't enter the EU all other Europeans will loose their sleep and start the demonstrations
Are you serious?

The truth is that most European people don't want Turkey in the EU. Do you really doubt this fact?

[erolz]

Yes, if Turkey doesn't enter the EU all other Europeans will loose their sleep and start the demonstrations
Are you serious?

If all the other member states in the EU believe it is in the EU's best interest to start the accsession process for Turkey and the RoC uses it's veto to block this 'will' from the other member states then there will undoubtedly be repercussions for both the RoC and for the EU in general.

The truth is that most European people don't want Turkey in the EU. Do you really doubt this fact?

Well I do not think I have the same powers that you apparently have in determining such 'truths' and 'facts'. To me it rmeains unclear what 'most people' in Europe think in this regard. Anyway the decision (in true 'democratic' style) will not be made by a simple majority of all the EU citizens as the EU does not make it decisions in such a (simplisitic democratic) way.

[brother]

Whatever is going to happen will, so lets all wait another 2 weeks then we will see.