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[Jim]

Mr Viewpoint
Justice is blind; (see the statue above the Old Baily) whether it opens a can of worm or not is not the point, it's the justice that matters. I would think that the law would have a different response for Cypriots of Turkish decent living on Cypriots of Greek decents' property as the legal arguments would be quite different. Many of these Expats took a gamble on cheap property in the North; if they weren't aware of the risk they must either be very naive or stupid. Living in Paphos I see many Cypriots of Turkish decent who live here and I must say that they are treated with the same courtesy by the their fellow Cypriots as I am when in shops and restaurants; as you say there are always two sides to the story.

Jim

[Natty]

Hey, did many TC's stay in the South of Cyprus then after 1974?

[Issy1956]

I dont know the numbers but not very many TC's remained in the South after 74. Probably about as many that stayed in the north.
When is Judgement expected in the Orams case?

[miltiades]

Jim wrote:
""Living in Paphos I see many Cypriots of Turkish decent who live here and I must say that they are treated with the same courtesy by the their fellow Cypriots as I am when in shops and restaurants; as you say there are always two sides to the story. ""

Very good point Jim. All Cypriots are one and Cyprus is for one and all.

[Pyrpolizer]

Hey, did many TC's stay in the South of Cyprus then after 1974?

50,000 out of 120,000 stayed. 90% of them women, elderly, and children who were afraid to travel through the GC controlled area and go to the occupied. Their adult males were all "fighters" helping their brothers from Turkey against us in 1974 hence they all hide in the occupied. So we actually had a huge separation of families. All these people moved to the occupied with UN escort after we signed the 3rd Vienna agreement in 1975.

[rawk]

Hi I got some of these as well!

http://www.legalserviceindia.com/histor ... humour.htm

Rawk

[PaulUK]

All i can say is they thought they could make some easy money and if true justice should prevail they will lose!

[Svetlana]

Forgive me, but I cannot provide a translation, but this piece is from the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet, announcing that the Oram's appeal has been successful. Interestingly, as you will see at the bottom of my posting, the Findings will not be announced until the Hearing later today:

Cherie, Orams davasını kazandı (CHERIE, WON ORAM'S CASE)

Faruk ZABCI / LONDRA

Rumların, KKTC’de mülk alan bir İngiliz aile aleyhine İngiltere’de açtığı gasp davasında KKTC’yi savunan İngiltere Başbakanı Tony Blair’in avukat eşi Cherie Blair tarihi bir zafer kazandı.

Savunmasını ’KKTC’nin ayrı bir devlet olduğu’ üzerine kuran ve İngiliz hakime Kıbrıs sorunu dersi veren Blair ve Türk avukatlar, Rum taleplerinin reddedildiği kararını öğrenince ’şampanyalı kutlama’ kararı aldı. İngiliz hakim, Rumları şoke eden 55 sayfalık gerekçeli kararını bugün açıklayacak. Cherie Blair, zaferinin karşılığı olarak 300 bin Sterlin (850 bin YTL) alacak.

Rumlar, emsal teşkil edecek İngiliz mahkemesinin kararından şoke olurken, Orams ailesi ve KKTC’nin avukatı Cherie Blair ve Türk avukat Hasan Vahid, şampanyalı kutlama kararı aldı. Hasan Vahid, kararı öğrendikten sonra, ’Şampanyaları buzdolabına koyduk, dansözlü müzikli eğlence yapacağız’ diyerek sevincini ortaya koydu.

KKTC YABANCILARA AÇILDI

KKTC’de mülk ve ev başta İngilizler olmak üzere binlerce AB vatandaşı İngiltere’deki kararı büyük bir endişe ile bekliyordu. Kararın ardından Kuzey Kıbrıs’a İngiliz yatırımlarının artacağına ve mülk fiyatları ile inşaat sektöründe patlama yaşanacağı belirtiliyor.

Rumlar, hem Türkiye hem de KKTC aleyhine başta Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesi olmak üzere tüm Avrupa mahkemelerinde mülkiyet davaları açıyordu. KKTC’de mülk alan tüm yabancılar aleyhine Interpol aracılığıyla tutuklama emri çıkarmaya çalışan Rumlar, son olarak Girne’nin Lapta bölgesinde ev satın alan Linda ve David Orams aleyhine, 1974 öncesinde Meletis Apostolides adlı Ruma ait arsayı gasp ettiği gerekçesiyle dava açmış, Rum mahkemesi de Papadopulos hükümetinin teşvikiyle, uygulanamayacak siyasi bir karar alarak Orams çiftini ’evlerini yıkma ve tazminat ödemeye’ mahkum etmişti.

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION

COURT 24
Before MR JUSTICE JACK
Wednesday, 6th September, 2006
Not before 10 o'clock
UNROBED
FOR JUDGMENT OF APPEAL
QB/2005/PTA/0897 Orams & anr v Apostolides

[Viewpoint]

How can they celebrate a decision which has not been declared yet? doesnt sound right to me, something fishey going on here.

[perecles]

Excellent news........Lets hope that they can now get on an enjoy their property and their well-earned retirement in peace.