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[Pyrpolizer]

OK thanks.
a)So this case is not at the high court??
b)Never heard the courts in UK can declare a decission does not create precedent. So if this is possible, what do you think would be the excuse to cover it?

[souroul]

I believe no one settling in the North was naive enough to believe there was not a certain risk involved. They made a concious decision to take the cheaper option and so they must incur the risk. However unfortunate the outcome maybe how you could you buy something knowing the true owner was not privvy to the agreement ? Anyway let me introduce myself as chedda a new settler in Limassol. By the way i do not have a house in the UK and i am not stupid or stupid !!

i was referring to the expats that got a house in the north, and sold everything in the UK. if things turn around on them, they'll have nothing.
south is fine.

[Jerry]

OK thanks.
a)So this case is not at the high court??
b)Never heard the courts in UK can declare a decission does not create precedent. So if this is possible, what do you think would be the excuse to cover it?

We have The Court of Appeal and ultimately the House of Lords as higher courts. A court in a subsequent case may decide that it differs from Orams so precedent does not apply. If I recall Apostolides is taking action against only Mrs Orams and yet her husband is joint "owner" of UK and Cyprus property - there could be a problem there but since it was not mentioned in Cyprus Mail report perhaps its not an issue.

I actually wrote to Booth long before she became involved in Orams asking her to help recover my father's property in Cyprus, this is the reply I got:-

I am writing on behalf of Mrs Blair to thank you for your letter of 12 February 2005.
Mrs Blair has great sympathy with the difficulties you are experiencing. I regret, however, that as a private, unelected citizen, she has no powers to intervene in matters of this kind herself.
If you have not already done so I think you might find it helpful to seek advice from your own Member of Parliament. He or she will have access to Government Ministers and others in authority, and is better equipped, therefore to take up the matter. If you want any legal help or advice I would suggest you contact the Citizens' Advice Bureau or the Law Society, which might be able to recommed a suitable solicitor for you.
I hope you will understand Mrs Blair's position and would ask you to accept our apologiea for sending you what I fear can only be a disappointing reply.

Yours sincerely Marianne Connolly

This is obviously a stereotype letter that could be sent in response to any problem, no mention of Cyprus or my father but the bit about legal advice - bloody hypocrites!!!!

[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks Jerry.

[chedda]

I believe no one settling in the North was naive enough to believe there was not a certain risk involved. They made a concious decision to take the cheaper option and so they must incur the risk. However unfortunate the outcome maybe how you could you buy something knowing the true owner was not privvy to the agreement ? Anyway let me introduce myself as chedda a new settler in Limassol. By the way i do not have a house in the UK and i am not stupid or stupid !!

i was referring to the expats that got a house in the north, and sold everything in the UK. if things turn around on them, they'll have nothing.
south is fine.

Ok excuse me i misunderstood you point taken !

[EUropean666]

Jerry , Send it to Daily Mail and the times, they will love it!!

[Jim]

Mr Viewpoint.
Judges in the UK (unusal as it may sound) are independent of politics or Government and therefore any judgement made will be on the legal arguments presented by the plaintiffs', not on whether the defendant is British and the plaintiff Cypriot. It was confirmed by Mrs Oram that she was aware there was a slight risk that the land she and her husband had built their property on was Greek Cypriot land. I have no sympathy for any Expat who knowingly or unknowingly built a property on GC land, just as in the south where I live, I would feel the same about TC land. If there is ever a solution I would be more than happy to see that village of Expats (can't recall the village name) thrown out into the street where they had an old Greek Cypriot gentleman arrested for picking a flower from his occupied property's garden; they make me ashamed to be British.

Jim

[Jerry]

Jerry , Send it to Daily Mail and the times, they will love it!!

Perhaps nearer "judgement day" I will send it to the Times or even the Mirror but I'm afraid the Daily Mail is too close to the gutter for my taste!

[Viewpoint]

Mr Viewpoint.
Judges in the UK (unusal as it may sound) are independent of politics or Government and therefore any judgement made will be on the legal arguments presented by the plaintiffs', not on whether the defendant is British and the plaintiff Cypriot. It was confirmed by Mrs Oram that she was aware there was a slight risk that the land she and her husband had built their property on was Greek Cypriot land. I have no sympathy for any Expat who knowingly or unknowingly built a property on GC land, just as in the south where I live, I would feel the same about TC land. If there is ever a solution I would be more than happy to see that village of Expats (can't recall the village name) thrown out into the street where they had an old Greek Cypriot gentleman arrested for picking a flower from his occupied property's garden; they make me ashamed to be British.

Jim

Thats the story you get about the flower picker what if he was hurling abuse at the English lady and 10 people were walking all around the house she has been living in for 30 years, its only natural to feel threatened and complain to the police who took action. you must not forget that on the whole GCs have been welcomed with open arms by the majority of TCs and treated very well. Always two sides to a story.

Let the judges in the UK take their decision then we will know what expats have to do about owning property in the UK, either sell up or transfer title to another family member. Easy really

I have a question for you, say the decision went in favor of the GCs and a whole new can of worms was opened up has not only expats but TCs own property in the UK. Will it bring the 2 communities closer together or nearer to a solution?

[Jerry]

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Let the judges in the UK take their decision then we will know what expats have to do about owning property in the UK, either sell up or transfer title to another family member. Easy really

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I'm afraid its not really easy at all VP. This has been discussed in another place and I'm afraid you can't simply transfer property in the UK without taking into consideration the tax liabilities. The Inland Revenue are not stupid you know, if it was as easy as you think to transfer property the whole inheritance tax system would collapse. I think you will find that the UK Inland Revenue are a little more successful at tax collecting than their counterparts in north Cyprus.