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[Viewpoint]

Of course I can only really talk for myself but the people I asscoaite with at work and my private life share views similar to mine.

The result is important Kifeas you can have a lot of talk which is cheap and no end result, neither side has the vision, desire or ability to solve anything let alone the Cyprus issue. Feel free to prove me wrong they have been trying for how many years was it????

[Viewpoint]

[Thats real frightening , we wont be able to sleep now especially knowing you are going to the gym and taking shooting lessons you can shoot my niece whos 6 years old at point blank range, that would make you a national hero, well done Kifeas.

Viewpoint,

Please, there's nothing to gain here by placing a gun in Kifeas's hand to shoot your niece. I don't believe he is cold blooded killer that you make him out to be. He was only refering to, attacking you or TC's on the FORUM. Have you read the power sharing proposal Kifeas has put together, which I have twice in the last three days re-posted it, in which no one has challanged it, so I assume who ever has read it, must like it.

yes I have and on face value it appears acceptable only problem is he now has to sell it to the GCs.

[Kifeas]

Of course I can only really talk for myself but the people I asscoaite with at work and my private life share views similar to mine.

The result is important Kifeas you can have a lot of talk which is cheap and no end result, neither side has the vision, desire or ability to solve anything let alone the Cyprus issue. Feel free to prove me wrong they have been trying for how many years was it????

So, you are basically saying that your community's leadership is not sincere when it comes to the negotiating table, because what they have in the back of their mind is not a solution and re-unification, but partition instead, as you described it above.

[Pyrpolizer]

For one person to qualify as a refugee they must have crossed an international border.

So the Gc refugees who in 1974 emmigrated in the UK, Australia, etc are refugees whereas those who went to Limassol are not ????

If it were so then tell me why is there a permanent UNHCR (United Nations High commissioner for Refugees) branch in Cyprus and why do they move with cars bearing licence plates UNHCR 1, 2, 100…? What are they doing here and why do they carry humanitarian aid to the enclaved GCs in the occupied?

The UN definition for a refugee simply defines what rights a refugee has when he crosses to another country. The crossing itself gives him those rights in another country but this doesn’t mean one minute before crossing he was not a refugee. So one who doesn’t cross is simply deprived those rights in_that_other_Country. For example a GC refugee living in Limassol cannot claim refugee rights in the UK like e.g. to receive the British Nationality.

The UN charter is very clear on this and it repeats hundreds of times this definition is to serve "international treatment " of those persons.

[Pyrpolizer]

Any alternative to the TRNC has to be better than the TRNC we have today and the GCs have to realize that unless somethign better is put before us we will continue as we are for as long as it takes.

The fact is you cannot be sure what you have today will last for ever and be equally affordable as it is today. For example if Turkey joins the EU you will have no other option that to negotiate under the stringest conditions your return to RoC. I can give you some more frightening examples but… one dose a time

[Kikapu]

Any alternative to the TRNC has to be better than the TRNC we have today and the GCs have to realize that unless somethign better is put before us we will continue as we are for as long as it takes.

The fact is you cannot be sure what you have today will last for ever and be equally affordable as it is today. For example if Turkey joins the EU you will have no other option that to negotiate under the stringest conditions your return to RoC. I can give you some more frightening examples but… one dose a time

10 to 15 years is a lifetime in politics. Can you afford to wait that long to find a solution, or is it better to find one now. Since you raised the question, what if Turkey does not join the EU.? Are you also willing to gamble too.??

[Pyrpolizer]

opening the borders
getting rid of Denktas
electing Talat
saying yes to the only reunification plan that was put before us
building a bridge
alloing usage of Churches
opening a GC school come to mind

Can I have yours???

opening the borders that you and only you kept closed for 30 years.Not us! Opening them to serve your purpose not for any refugee to return. Opened it to force us take a visa in our own country.

What did we do: We simply let you pass without any visa.We let you stay for as long as you like.
Your fascist regime forces you to go home by 12 midnight my "cinderella" brothers.

Got rid of Denktash which you were electing for 40+ years. Got rid of him only when he said no to EU. Again to serve your purpose not ours.

Electing Talat: Which proved no different than Denktash…

Saying yes to the Anan plan which was giving you everything even 2/3rds of our properties BY ONLY 65% YES VOTING instead of 99%. Man you think that 65% gives you any credit? I would personally give you credit only if you voted minimum 90% yes to that.

Building a bridge? Where?

Allowing usage of churches: Which churches? 2 churches out of the 500 looted ones. In which the people are undergone body search as if they are going to carry explossives? In which the Turkish policemen having the audacity of 1000 monkies get in smoking cigarettes while the priest is having service? Where else in the world have you seen any infidel getting into a church smoking a cigarette? Who told you you ever had the right to prevent anyone get in his own church? Allowing the use of those 2 churches and instead of a cross on their top (symbol of Christianity) you put the pseudo and the Turkish flags? Who ever gave you the right to put your flags on our churches?

You opened a school? No the scholl was always there. WE builted it! You were simply not allowing our students to attend or use it. You did this on purpose to send them away to the free areas to get their education. You did that to forbit them to reyturn after becoming 18. Who ever gave you the right to tell us which school of ours we should operate, which students of ours we should educate? We manned our own school and we pay the salaries of OUR teachers.Not you.

Man if you really think those were good gestures by you and signs you want to re-unite with us then you must be joking. Those for me were gestures to show us/convince us you have authority in the occupied areas nothing more nothing less. And to use us like tourists to take our money.

Waiting to hear our gestures:
1)Always free to cross your own borders all these 40 years.
2)Free to go back to your properties and get them all back after 6 months.
3)Free to get all the rights we secured for you both as Cypriots and as Europeans
4)Free to work in the free areas while living in our own stolen houses in the occupied. Free to use all public services for which we pay taxes whereas you don’t.
5)free to have medical care at our hospitals with absolutely no payment whereas for us the GCs we must comply to criteria to get such a free service from our own hospitals.
6)free to visit and do ceremony in any of your mosques, without police escort, without body search, without greek flags flying on the building.
7)Free to take official documents of the republic like Ids, passports etc which will bring you even more profit (education as EU citizens abroad), whereas you do not actually contribute anything either to this Republic or the EU.
Oh as far as schooling is concerned yes we builted a brand new school for the tsiggane you sent us who are not even TCs. Guess what? They don’t like going to school that’s their culture. They only like to live on free wellfare that we provide. And WE pay the Turkish teachers not you.
9)we are the only ones who at least have a portion of people calling you brothers and compatriots. You never do.
10)We are the ones who made thousands of proposals to your side to have a solution whereas your side never made any….

So Viewpoint do you understand the meaning of free and automatic compared to ok after you beg and cry a little, after you bent a little to screw you a little, take your money a little, humiliate you a lot, I will give you visa to go see your stolen house etc etc etc?

You showed us hostility and you treated us like FOREIGNERS Viewpoint. Not like compatriots. You never showed us your will to unite with us.

Viewpoint,

Please, there's nothing to gain here by placing a gun in Kifeas's hand to shoot your niece. I don't believe he is cold blooded killer that you make him out to be. He was only refering to, attacking you or TC's on the FORUM.

That’s what I understood too. On the other hand Kifeas post was in fact scaring. All front attack??? This triggered a more scaring reaction from VP….

Have you read the power sharing proposal Kifeas has put together, which I have twice in the last three days re-posted it, in which no one has challanged it, so I assume who ever has read it, must like it.

I saw that you two agreed on something and that was enough for me. Really.

Of course I can only really talk for myself but the people I asscoaite with at work and my private life share views similar to mine.

Did it pass through your mind that maybe it’s because such views are too simplistic? Solution,status quo, war, partition. Put some verbs in and you have the usual talks at work or social meetings. In fact most of the people are so bored, whatever you tell them they say you are right.

[Pyrpolizer]

10 to 15 years is a lifetime in politics. Can you afford to wait that long to find a solution, or is it better to find one now. Since you raised the question, what if Turkey does not join the EU.? Are you also willing to gamble too.??

Kikapu, kikapu, kikapu….
I am not the one who said "we will continue as we are for as long as it takes" ….. It was Viewpoint !!!!

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer do you really want me to respond to all the crap you just posted I to can post at your belittling level, I to can dismiss all the actions you have taken towards reunification but its obvious we will never do anything right in your eyes so why should I try? it wont make the least bit of difference you are conditioned like many GCs.

Why the hell you want to reunite with us? isit just land or political control of the whole island if we "You showed us hostility and you treated us like FOREIGNERS Viewpoint. Not like compatriots. You never showed us your will to unite with us" why on earth do you want to unite with us? if we are this bad why do you still want to unite with us? Just ask for partition because we are not worthy of living with GCs of such high esteem as your goodself

[Marz]

VP ask my father how he feels after so many years he still cant see his home and village becasue it borders inside the buffer zone?
Ask him if he has ever received anything or been compensated?
the answer is never.
There is no simple solution we have been enemies for as long as anyone can remember, and Turkey has always bullied with extreme force even now they still dictate to us what we can and cant do, turkey say listen to us if you know whats good for you. it seems Turkey sees us as a big threat for some reason and doesnt want to back off a little because they know we will see the weak spot.
Also a fact for some of the others who come her and post stuff about turkey to start trouble heres something for you.
Its a fact that Cyprus has enough capacity take over the occupied part of Cyprus within 24 hours. If we faced Turkey with an even amount of power we will win with eyes closed. You underestimate us as a people we dont want to forget either what happened, and we will be hard to deal in creating a solution with, as you are with us.