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[Marz]

Listen all you Turks, Cyprus was Cyprus before you came in to our country and illegally took 37% of the country, and imported the left overs of your country into northern cyprus. Thats the fact.
Now youve been living there for thirty years you think yor entitled to say "Hey want want this land to be a seperate country now you cant have it back", but you know it cant happen, so instead you try using politics to try unite us all, give us a new name and a new government, you just want us to give you all that you demand, which will work out well for the turks wont it?

Why dont you get rid of your Turkish army open the borders, give people back their houses and land, you will all have equal right to all Cypriots, like you did before when there were Turks living on the island, the only thing is you have to buy your own land and houses to live here and be part of the community not a seperate minority that you want to be.
You will have to work your way into Government like everyother person here does, but nooo you want everything given to you on a platter and more. how about a cake with that.
The dirty tactis and caniving nature of turks to jsutify everything they do is similar to the Jews who almost took over Russia almost 100 years ago.

[bg_turk]

To bg_turk: What first puzzle's me in your response is your reference to 'unfairly displaced'. Given the aforementioned phrase there can be people who can be fairly displaced (displaced person:a person who is forced to leave their home country because of war, persecution, or natural disaster; a refugee.) ? Now, given the use of military force which was indeed illegal (and here I do not entertain any consderation of justification because the violence used would make any consideration of applying the word justice or justified to it grandiosely problematic) then the 180,000 GC's that were displaced i.e. made refugees are to return; in which case the demogrphics of the population will change so radically to the extent that the name of the Republic will, at least by name, be contrarious to the actual demographics. In this case the 'TRNC' would be de facto a GTRNC or as I prefer to call it: GCTCC (GreekCypriot Turkish Cypriot Republic of Cyprus and for abbreviation purposes "Unified Republic of Cyprus". bg.turk, I do not in any way espouse your wish for a divided Cyprus and concomitantly I do not in any way condone religious, ethnic, sexual, gender or any other discrimination in any form. At the same time I say that indeed the social structures in both communities do not at present allow for the acheivement of a Cypriot society. It is though something that I (and many others I know, both GC's and TC's I know - who by the way call themselves Cypriots share) have as my life's project to acheive. I have for many years lived without seeing not only half of my country but half of my people and for this occurence there are many people to blame. Hopefully they can be brought to justice and I (and all those that I know or not but am aware of) spend much of our time speaking and informing people. Unfortunately history, being written by those in power takes time to change...especially wehn the same history has been used to glorify some and transmogrify others...I am not one who will praise as 'The Father', God, anyone...if anyone the people are the poets of their own lives, they are their own gods. This and that we in Cyprus chose to be the students of history and not its slaves is what I leave you with.

First, I must say I am impressed by your eloquence and your superb command of the English language.

Second, I am really bewildered at how GCs are the first to jump agains the property commission and the repatriation of their compatriots under the soveregnity of the TRNC. Why are you so concerned about the TRNC starting to allow GC refugees to return to their homes? Do you really care about the possibility of the TRNC to become "GTRNC" or "GCTCC". Shouldn't you just leave it to the citizens of TRNC to deal with providing just remedies for crimes comitted by their own state?

Third, technically there are no refugees in Cyprus, there are only internally displaced people. The UN convention defines refugees as people who cross an international border, and since you do not recognize the border between Southern Cyprus and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as an international one, it is in your best interest to use the word "internally displaced persons" rather than refugees.

[miltiades]

Sorry mate you are full of shit , hope you are now really impressed with my command of English.

[Viewpoint]

Bg-Turk, your last post is very cynical. Is that your reaction to GC nationalism or is it your final word?

It is cynical because it was meant to be. Sorry if it insults you.

Besides I do not understand why you are surprised by it. I have always been propartition. I have never hidden that neither in this nor in the other forum. I have always believed that the interests of Turkish Cypriots will be best served by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Of course I do not expect Tcs to build their prosperity on the misery of Gcs. THe TRNC must take correctice measures and territorial adjustments must be made to accomodate the desires of displaced Gcs as much as possible.

There are many TCs who support this idea including me I dont know why you are so suprised. The momentum for partition is gaining ground as we speak. You only have yourselves ot blame for what is fuelling this, as you continue to show the arrogant attitude that you are the recognized Cyprus so you have every right to run the whole of Cyprus and that we are reminded we a minority and should act like one. Its high time that you guys on the other side of the border realized that this "minority" is an equal partner on this island and your politics should be to show TCs that they would be much better of working and building a united Cyprus with GCs than continuing with Turkey.

[Sotos]

Under international law, a refugee is a person who is outside his/her country of nationality or habitual residence;

[bg_turk]

Under international law, a refugee is a person who is outside his/her country of nationality or habitual residence;

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Sotos, please! Read the sentence again, because with it you have just proving my point.

For one person to qualify as a refugee they must have crossed an international border.

I am sure of this because in the NK conflict Azeri-Turkish persons expelled by the Armenian Armed forces are defined as internally displaced persons, rather than refugees, precisely because they have not crossed an international border.

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person

An internally displaced person (IDP) is someone who has been forced to leave their home for reasons such as natural or man-made disasters, including religious or political persecution or war, but has not crossed an international border. The term is a subset of the more general displaced person. There is no legal definition of IDP, as there is for refugee, but the rule of thumb is that if the person in question would be eligible for refugee status if he or she crossed an international border then the IDP label is applicable. IDPs are not technically refugees because they have not crossed an international border, but are sometimes casually referred to as refugees.

[bg_turk]

Here is how the EU commission defines a refugee. Take note Sotos:

According to the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees (the Refugee Convention), Article 1A(2), the term refugee is applied to a person who owing to well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his(/her) nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself (/herself) of the protection of his(/her) country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his(/her) former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.

Source:
http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/as ... ary_en.htm

[Marz]

yOU KNOW WHY YOU CALL IT TRNC?

BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT CYPRIOTS, YOU ARE TURKS WHO LIVE IN CYPRUS, AS YOU CALL YOURSELFS, WHO DONT ACCEPT US AND WANT TO FORCE US TO GIVE THEM OUR LAND TO LIVE ON LEGALLY.
YOU WANT TO LIVE IN CYPRUS AS TURKS NOT CYPRIOTS AND YOU DONT WANT TO ACCEEPT US ONLY OUR LAND.
the land you occupy is not a different country it was one country before you came there and still is. Only turks can believe their own lies.
you blatatly admit in your words yes its your land but we wont give it back we want you to accept us and our proposal to divide your land and call it trnc. becasue at the moment you are there illegally and you fear if eventually the people of Cyprus have their justice and take the land back Turkey will suffer a big loss strategically.

The solution is the TC will have to accept living under a Cypriot rule where all people are equal which im sure everyone wants, if the TC wants to be in Government they should work hard towards that goal not be given it on a platter, work for your land and homes, not steal them form others as currently is.
Just becasue you been theri 32 years doenst give you the right to call for a seperate country and divide the land, totally riduculous and should never happen.

[bg_turk]

You have gotten it all wrong, Marz. I never wished to steal any of your property. In fact I firmly stand by your right to demand and be granted repatriation, repropriation and reparation by the organs and courts of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, and I uneqivocally condemn any past and present violations by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus against displaced Greek Cypriots. As I said before it is high time that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus took corrective measures towards all that were negatively affected during its creation.

[Marz]

'In fact I firmly stand by your right to demand and be granted repatriation, repropriation and reparation by the organs and courts of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, and I uneqivocally condemn any past and present violations by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus against displaced Greek Cypriots. As I said before it is high time that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus took corrective measures towards all that were negatively affected during its creation.'

My point im trying to say is why do the TC call the area they live TRNC?
in my view this means you dont live in Cyprus as it should be called, you live in Turkey, or a state of Turkey, which its certainly not.
Just becasue the majority is Turkish doesnt mean you can claim the land to be TRNC, its not.
Why do we have to show our passports to travel to the otherside? we are not in a different country we are in Cyprus not Turkey as the Flags show.