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[Jerry]

bg- turk wrote:- Now lo and behold the usual barrage of accusations against Turkey regarding Kurds, Armenian, Pontians, Circassians, etc etc.

Don't forget the Greeks that have been thrown out of Constantinople before and since 1984 in this list!



Miltiades wrote:- to that I say bullocks.

What have cattle got to do with this?

[bg_turk]

Firstly let me say that the information you posted on the treatment of the Turkish minority in Thrace is disturbing to say the least.If indeed such discriminatory practices are taking place in Greece then is a bloody disgrace and the EU should investigate and proclaim the perpetrators as guilty oh human rights violations.

Thank you I agree.

You are suggesting that I the "TRNC " should become my country too , dont wish to be rude but are you thick ? Haven't I told you in my previous posts that I'm a Cypriot and that all of Cyprus is my country, the occupied part is administered by a foreign power that keeps 40 thousand troops on my country's soil.Dont know where you get your common sense from but I would , if I were you , search else where.

Where does it say that one island must be one country. The TRNC may be internationally unrecognized, but it does not mean it will remain so indefinitely, especially so given the intransigent attitude of the leadership in the South.

Anyway I do not expect to reach any agreement with you on this one. My position is pro-partition, your's is pro-unification. Time will tell which one will prevail.

..., would you also post something on the treatment of the 20 million minority Kurds in Turkey , or is that not part of your agenda. I'm a Cypriot , you are not , you have no right to suggest the nonsense that you do. May I suggest you concentrate in helping us in Cyprus , all of us , not making ludicrous suggestions. I will not ask for your opinion on the Armenian question since I already know what your answer might be.

I did post my opinion on the Kurds already quite a long time ago (which won me some death threats and traitor labels ).

[cypezokyli]

two commments on this thread :

opening a thread with karatzaferis comments, is only absurd. he is right wink nutcase .

@purpoliser. if you ever make such moovement i would be really interested to read the proposed solution

[miltiades]

"""Where does it say that one island must be one country. The TRNC may be internationally unrecognized, but it does not mean it will remain so indefinitely, especially so given the intransigent attitude of the leadership in the South. """
YES IT WILL

""Anyway I do not expect to reach any agreement with you on this one. My position is pro-partition, your's is pro-unification. Time will tell which one will prevail. ""

Your position , You are a Bulgarian Turk , why should I or any one else listen to your position , Your position ? are you planning to move to Cyprus then ?
I wont bother with you either .

[Pyrpolizer]

This guy (bg_Turk) supports partition thinking if this happens then they will do the same in Bulgaria.

[Pyrpolizer]

For decades, these Associations have operated as legitimate civic society organisations promoting cultural, educational, religious and sportive activities for the Turks in Western Thrace until 1983 when their right to exist has been challenged.

Their rights to exist????

Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk…

Man you did not even understand your own issue. What is refused here is to bear the name "turkish" not the right to exist as clubs.
Moreover this issue can be resolved very easily if those people apply to the ECHR.

Regardless do you dare compare that with the Turkish Invasion in Cyprus, the ethnic cleansing of 180,000 GCs, the unsupring of their properties etc etc?

If you were one of those GCs that has been unfairly displaced, I will always stand by your right to seek justice and to return to your homeland. The TRNC will be your country as well.

If all the Gcs return then there will be no land for "trnc" to exist.The GCs own 90% of that land. So either you have to abandon your dream for partition or your support for the GCs to return. Which one do you choose?

@purpoliser. if you ever make such moovement i would be really interested to read the proposed solution

Do you know anyone who wouldn’t? You will be hearing about it all day in the news. I tell you our little world here will turn upside down…

[bg_turk]

Man you did not even understand your own issue. What is refused here is to bear the name "turkish" not the right to exist as clubs.

Most of the organizations have been banned because their members identify themselves as Turkish. Turks are lacking the fundamental human right of association in Greece.

Moreover this issue can be resolved very easily if those people apply to the ECHR.

If only the Greek courts, recognized as internal source of remedy, weren't taking decades to implement their decision. But rest assured that sooner or later they will apply.

Regardless do you dare compare that with the Turkish Invasion in Cyprus, the ethnic cleansing of 180,000 GCs, the unsupring of their properties etc etc?

YOu are missing the point entierely. The point was not to compare, the point was to illustrate why EU membership cannot guarantee minority and communal rights that would be necessary for Turkish Cypriots in any future settlement.

So either you have to abandon your dream for partition or your support for the GCs to return. Which one do you choose?

I choose both. The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has already taken steps towards reinstating unfairly displaced Greek Cypriot civilians as indicated by a recent court decision of the Property Commission in the North. I am hopeful that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will do everything in its power to provide remedies for people negatively affected by its creation.

[miltiades]

Bgturk wrote:
"Turks are lacking the fundamental human right of association in Greece. ""
Then Greece should be taken to task by the European authorities. Discriminating against minorities is a crime against humnity.There are proper authorities available to investigate such discriminatory actiosns.

Can you get iot through your head that the "TRNC " does not exist in international eyes , you are either too f..ng blind or just plain stupid , you keep reffering to this non ntity as if you wre talking about , the USA, Britain , Bulgaria , Itqaly , I

[miltiades]

Pressed wrong key , continue
France , China , Japan , Turkey , South Africa , Mexico , Pakistan , India.
"TRNC" IS NOT THERE MAN , its a creation of Turkey that is not recognidsed , you have to get it in your thick Ottoman head.

[Protagorianos]

To bg_turk: What first puzzle's me in your response is your reference to 'unfairly displaced'. Given the aforementioned phrase there can be people who can be fairly displaced (displaced person:a person who is forced to leave their home country because of war, persecution, or natural disaster; a refugee.) ? Now, given the use of military force which was indeed illegal (and here I do not entertain any consderation of justification because the violence used would make any consideration of applying the word justice or justified to it grandiosely problematic) then the 180,000 GC's that were displaced i.e. made refugees are to return; in which case the demogrphics of the population will change so radically to the extent that the name of the Republic will, at least by name, be contrarious to the actual demographics. In this case the 'TRNC' would be de facto a GTRNC or as I prefer to call it: GCTCC (GreekCypriot Turkish Cypriot Republic of Cyprus and for abbreviation purposes "Unified Republic of Cyprus". bg.turk, I do not in any way espouse your wish for a divided Cyprus and concomitantly I do not in any way condone religious, ethnic, sexual, gender or any other discrimination in any form. At the same time I say that indeed the social structures in both communities do not at present allow for the acheivement of a Cypriot society. It is though something that I (and many others I know, both GC's and TC's I know - who by the way call themselves Cypriots share) have as my life's project to acheive. I have for many years lived without seeing not only half of my country but half of my people and for this occurence there are many people to blame. Hopefully they can be brought to justice and I (and all those that I know or not but am aware of) spend much of our time speaking and informing people. Unfortunately history, being written by those in power takes time to change...especially wehn the same history has been used to glorify some and transmogrify others...I am not one who will praise as 'The Father', God, anyone...if anyone the people are the poets of their own lives, they are their own gods. This and that we in Cyprus chose to be the students of history and not its slaves is what I leave you with.